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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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well that may be gene steinberg but

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here's the normal voice that introduces

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the power cast

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this is bob zanotti speaking from my

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home in the yemental cheese country in

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switzerland and very proud and happy to

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be together with my old old friend jean

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and thank you for having me on gene

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with an emphasis on the old

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ah you're only as old as you feel i'm

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gonna be 71 in december i'm not going to

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embarrass you by asking your age but i

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think you're my junior to a certain

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extent but i i don't know people are

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saying

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oh you're getting on how are you

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supposed to feel i don't know how you're

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supposed to feel at 71 i feel like a kid

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you know i'm a ham radio operator

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and i hear people on the air all the

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time

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and i i get these guys you you listen to

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voices because it's it's it's an oral

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aur uh medium ham radio i've been a

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radio ham for years many many 50 years

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too many

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you get to hear people and you get these

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people talking to you like this and well

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i got troubles with my knees and

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you know i got i got i got uh

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jumping pellagra and i and i got all

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kinds of stuff i don't i don't know i'm

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really getting on and i got headaches

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and migraines and i said well how old

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and i hear guys who are 90 years old on

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ham radio when they sound like kids it

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really is all in your head

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you know you raised the right point

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there i think if i bother to think how

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old i am and i'm not going to mention it

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because there's possibly a photograph

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in my closet that's aging right now

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that's the trick

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just don't just put it out of your

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consciousness that's all well people

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have been saying i'm unconscious for

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years but bob i wanted to talk to you

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about that this is going to be by the

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way a kind of open mic episode where we

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go into a lot of subjects and we're also

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joined by

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makai

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remember coffee clutch where this all

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started when you and i met each other

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for the first time jim mosley and uh

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and and those people back in the new

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york area that's what we did we had no

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script we just sat down at the table and

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said let's go

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and then of course this was

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done in a college radio station

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and it was kind of like a i remember a

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long table

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right and each one of us had a

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microphone

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well sometimes we had to share

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then there were big fights and

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fisticuffs and black belts and things

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uh it was very very uh freewheeling

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radio i think they were called they have

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a fancy term for it there's a euphemism

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for it uh back in our day we would call

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it freewheeling now they call it

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eclectic you know it's an eclectic radio

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station never figured out quite what

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that was but we used to get together on

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a friday night and i remember the time

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we're talking about wfmu

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i don't dare tell you what those call

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letters stood for

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we'd be off the air in no time

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or you get a citation from the fcc but

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we don't want that no listen i'm an old

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pro i'm not going to do that to you gene

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we're two good friends for that but it

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was the radio station of up solid

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college in east orange new jersey now i

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don't know how they contrive to do this

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it must be

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an art which is long gone a college

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which managed to go bankrupt don't ask

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me anymore i don't know the radio

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station was the radio station of uppsala

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college and uh it still exists and it's

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it's quite a big

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station in the new york area and um you

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know for those who are not from the new

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york area you mentioned college radio

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this was not

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a 10 watt station this was a 1500 watt

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fm station

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and in fact at one time jean i don't

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know if i ever told you this

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but my show coffee clutch

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and you were a regular guest on there

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along with jim and jack robinson and

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augie roberts and dominic lucesi and

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people like that

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it made it i i actually made it once a

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couple of times to the new york times

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radio and tv listing wfmu coffee clutch

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you know and that was a great honor i

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don't know who did that i didn't pay

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anybody but those were great days of

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broadcasting well the thing to bear in

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mind also when we talk about that

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is the range of the station i was living

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in brooklyn new york

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it was a difficult climb to get to

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brooklyn but i did all sorts of tweaks

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on a home-built fm radio

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and i did something with the antenna

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because we weren't allowed to have a

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roof antenna i was living just an

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apartment with my parents

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but i was able to do something some sort

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of electronic

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trickery and i got pretty good signal

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well actually um you know i i can get

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technical here as a radio hem

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we started off

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at the beginning at wfmu with 10 watts

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that doesn't sound like much but in a

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dense pop densely populated area like

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the new york metropolitan area with a

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decent antenna we we had quite a

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coverage area

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and then

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we went up i i forget what year it was i

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think it was 1962

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or 63 we raised the power

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to 1500 watts and that was the same kind

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of power as the big new york city radio

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station so we were doing very well and i

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have to tell you i don't know if you

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want to do it now but i can tell you

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later an anecdote

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about the power increase now i don't

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have to even ask you it's pro forma uh

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you remember jack robinson and his uh

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lovely wife mary robinson who was

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clairvoyant and we did a show once that

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you may remember you weren't on that one

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it was just the the two of them and me

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at their apartment in jersey city new

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jersey just across from the hudson river

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and um we were still at 10 watts at wfmu

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we had

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uh applied for a long time for the power

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increase of 1500 watts and it was

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blocked by

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i think wny you might you you're a new

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yorker uh gene that was the radio

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station the fm station of the new york

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board of education

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and they were the next channel up from

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us and they objected they were afraid

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there would be interference so to cut a

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long story short which is maybe not a

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good idea on a a long talk show and it's

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extremely difficult for me at the best

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of times but i'll try

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we did a show about the ouija board

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and um

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mary robinson was an adept at the ouija

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board the ouija board how many people

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realize that we just stan are the french

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and german words for yes

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we yes french

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ya german yes ouija board in any case um

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we frivolously brought out the board and

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she had had quite a record with the

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board

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and i asked her the question

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when

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is wfmu going to get

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the power increase that we've been

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waiting for for years our lawyers told

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us it was really a difficult fight and

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they didn't hold out much hope that we

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would get it and then she came out this

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was i think november just before i

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something uh october november

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and then um

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she said and she went around and the

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planchette started swooshing around and

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she called out the numbers and

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everything else and she says no january

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and jack said can you be more precise

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and she said i get

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15

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20 something like that i said well if

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that comes to pass you really performed

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a great demonstration

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all of it we got a call at the radio

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station from our lawyer

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several weeks later saying the fcc had

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surprisingly approved our power increase

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and the first coffee clutch program with

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full power of 1500 watts

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was i believe january the 21st so what

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can i say

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well i recall now

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hearing your station where it only had

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10 watts

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in brooklyn when i had to do all that

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stuff

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so that was pretty astounding what is

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astounding also is that we have a second

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radio show called after the power cast

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and i have no idea what it's going to be

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on this week because a lot of things are

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happening a lot of things are going on

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now just to point out folks

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chris o'brien is around in thailand

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and the time zone difference is pretty

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wacky so it'd be really early in the

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morning

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when we're doing this at 1 p.m

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right now 1 17 p.m arizona time on a

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thursday

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okay

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and i'm hearing crickets

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which is usually the response that i get

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to my jokes i can hear them all

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even over here in switzerland you got

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very loud crickets there gene right very

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noisy

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i can hear your dog sometimes too

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not today but in other broadcasts oh

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yeah sometimes he gets wacky we used to

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live at a place where the neighbors

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had five dogs

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or six dogs i lost track they kept

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moving them in and out they'd give them

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over to a friend to adopt them and

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they'd have a couple more and they

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didn't understand

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what birth control meant for dogs which

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of course is to

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give them an operation so they can't

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procreate

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something gets them going and suddenly

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you have five dogs

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barking and what happens to our dog

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teddy bear

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he wants to join the chorus

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so that's where it goes

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and suddenly it gets to be really really

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annoying we live somewhere now where

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there are dogs but not next door

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i think i've heard teddy bear a few

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times when the mailman's come to the

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door

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there you go in any case

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before we go on with this bob i wanted

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to just bring up something i mentioned

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last week and it was a comment after we

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had

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gary lachman as a guest and gary lachman

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who was known

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as a rock and roller as gary valentine

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was one of the founding members

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of blondie

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before they became famous

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okay kind of like the pete best of the

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beatles or something like that where he

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left the band before they became famous

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and doesn't seem to regret it because

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he's gotten into something far more

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intellectual i guess

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and

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bob indicated to me that he went to

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school

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with debbie harry and he gave me a few

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comments i read one of them

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and i guess it was sort of out of

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context

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and i guess the best thing to do bob is

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for you to maybe give us a quick summary

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of what you remember of her

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well that's a long time ago i we're

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talking the the 60s she was i

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i was born in paterson new jersey and

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grew up in hawthorne new jersey right

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next door and um debbie harry of course

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for any any of those who know her or

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followed her she is a cult figure of

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course know

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very well that she went to that she grew

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up also in hawthorne new jersey we were

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contemporaries although she was in the

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hawthorne high school class of 63

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and i was in the class of 64.

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i mean i had no

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real personal contact with her but you

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know we saw each other we would go you

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know as they called it back though in

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those days you know we had traveling

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classes you went from one class to the

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other you went down the card or you saw

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each other uh there were

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midday dances and you went to the after

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the cafeteria there was dancing and she

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was there and this sort of thing

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when i saw her later pictures

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um it was striking because she has

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changed so little

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i think the one thing which strikes

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anybody

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certainly somebody who knew her as a

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teenager

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as i did

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um was that her face

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her visage has hardly changed

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she always had an outstanding face

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and that has

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remained all through the years

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she was always what i would call

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she gave the impression she was

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precocious now i mean we we can give

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different spins to the word precocious

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she wasn't she was a good student

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as i remember people saying she was

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smart

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sophisticated and now again we're

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talking the 60s here

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but she was always aloof

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he would see her in a class or in a

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group i think she belonged to a sorority

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i don't know if sororities exist anymore

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but they were very big

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back in the in the 60s in the in at

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least in new jersey

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in the new york area and she belonged to

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a a girl sorority

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and um uh

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i i don't remember her having a lot of

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friends

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she was very aloof as i would say

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and

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rather distant

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if we can use that expression

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um there was an aura there was an error

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about her

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that she was beyond this

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uh

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you could speculate and look i'm trying

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i see her i see her in the hall of

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hawthorne high school right now as i'm

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reminiscing

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and i see the face today and it's so

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similar

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she had a radiation she had an aura

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about her

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you knew that there was something

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special about this girl and we called

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them girls at the time

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if that's not politically correct and i

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really don't care because i don't

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believe in political correctness

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i think political correctness is a

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muzzle to keep us from saying what we

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really think

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and that's against the american first

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in any case

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somehow

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in hindsight

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you could imagine

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that she was destined for something

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special

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yeah do you think she knew that herself

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or she considered herself that she knew

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she was going places in the world

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a very good question goggs and i would

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uh i would confirm that i i think that's

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a very eloquent way of putting it she

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knew it

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she had this aura which is you know

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also an esoteric term or a metaphysical

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term i i can't read auras but she had

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this

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that was her persona she was destined

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for other things

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she was

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not part of the mainstream of school i

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don't remember her having many friends

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and i do remember one thing that a lot

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of guys a lot of boys remember very well

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and others uh probably a lot of other

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people

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who

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gave her looked at her sort of

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cross-eyed

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um during the summers um we all went

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that was traditional we went to the

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hawthorne memorial swimming pool

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now anybody from hawthorne will will be

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sort of rolling their eyes saying oh

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yeah i remember that

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and

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she would strut along the concrete side

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of the of the public swimming pool which

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is fairly large

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in a rather brief bikini

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now for those who don't realize

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who are used to going to nude beaches

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uh in in miami and some other places

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these days i mean we're talking the 60s

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now

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and there was a rule i remember i dream

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of jeannie

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there was an american hang-up and goggs

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maybe you as a as a scot

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uh being from this side of the atlantic

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i'm in switzerland you're in scotland of

552
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course we were we were far ahead over

553
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here with this sort of stuff but america

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is is is basically a

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it was anyway a very puritan society

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they had this above the naval rule i

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mean they did have two-piece bathing

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this is jacques vallee you're listening

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there we go bob zanati

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gogg's makai

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and bob is remembering his youth back in

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1963

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in high school

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debbie harry

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kind of strutting her stuff a little bit

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trying to be like a show person right

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that she had show business in her soul

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would that be the right vibe

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she did and uh since we're on a a

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paranormal show the paracast

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i i think uh i would be permitted the

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indulgence

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of even speculating about reincarnation

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uh i would go so far and it's nice to be

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uh talking to an audience that gets this

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just a few minutes ago when you were

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talking about debbie harry i was about

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to make a comment that because we're in

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a paranormal show whenever people seem

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to claim to be part of past life

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aggression so it's funny how people say

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oh i was julius caesar or whatever but i

700
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could believe that debbie harry was

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cleopatra in a previous life were you

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about to say anything i like that

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yes i mean uh she uh i wouldn't i i

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wouldn't venture so far as to say

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cleopatra

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or some other

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uh

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she didn't come into the world like this

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i really think that she had

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something from a past life experience

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uh she was perhaps a glamour star i mean

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you know we had so many of these people

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back in the the the 20s the 30s the 40s

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and it would be

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totally theoretically possible

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for somebody like debbie harry

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a teenager at the time to have been

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reincarnated from one of these divas

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if people use that term anymore

720
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but they're just trying to use that

721
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in a very limited way they'll use it for

722
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lady gaga

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i guess they'll use it for madonna

724
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and they'll still use it for barbara

725
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streisand who's still going strong she's

726
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74. but in the case of lady gaga i don't

727
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know if you ever listen to her stuff she

728
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can sing anything well i i don't listen

729
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to lady gaga because i think she's gaga

730
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but that's another story but as far as

731
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debbie is concerned this is really what

732
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i meant

733
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by using the term precocious

734
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she was good at school she was smart

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i think um she was uh

736
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mr young's favorite

737
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french student she took french i believe

738
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if i recall correctly

739
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and

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there was something about her

741
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that she had brought something from

742
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another life like

743
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they say mozart would sit down at the

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piano and then play

745
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something at the age of five or six well

746
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she had this

747
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look i'm an esoteric sort of guy i'm an

748
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offbeat guy

749
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my coffee clutch show back in the 60s

750
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of which you were apart a regular part

751
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gene was devoted to the offbeat so i'm

752
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,399
way i'm absolutely wide open to anything

753
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,399
i'm willing to accept anything and i i

754
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do accept reincarnation i totally

755
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believe in it and i would say that

756
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debbie harry probably

757
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as goggs also suggested

758
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,440
was definitely reincarnated from

759
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something else she had a similar past at

760
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some time but as far as the the

761
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hawthorne public swimming pool is

762
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concerned i mustn't forget to finish

763
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,360
that story

764
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,320
uh she wore a very at the time a very

765
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brief bikini which was naval revealing

766
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and it revealed other things also the

767
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,279
bra was very very scant

768
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:20,080
and did she turned faces at the

769
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hawthorne memorial pool and i my opinion

770
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,440
i i think she needed that that she

771
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needed she knew

772
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,440
i remember hanging at the side of the

773
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pool and watching her go by i think a

774
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,000
few guys did something else but we won't

775
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,880
discuss that here this is family radio

776
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,240
don't tell me i grew up in that uh

777
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,039
gene don't worry about that but i i

778
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,120
think i i made my point

779
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,159
she would literally literally strut

780
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,360
around

781
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,480
the pool

782
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,880
she rarely i don't ever remember her

783
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,360
going in the water but she loved to be

784
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,399
seen

785
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,360
she needed to be the focal point

786
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,919
and she certainly was there's something

787
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
else about debbie harry and uh i think

788
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,080
in your in your last show or the one

789
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,919
where you mentioned

790
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,720
uh i think chris o'brien mentioned that

791
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,640
about hawthorne high school when when

792
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,120
you you you quoted me as saying she was

793
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,840
aloof and and so on and and then chris

794
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,000
said uh well she was dreaming of going

795
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,399
across the river to new york and i that

796
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,880
this is probably true there is i would

797
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,720
like to call attention i don't have too

798
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,480
much more about debbie

799
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,159
except when i see her

800
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,480
she's just the same the same girl i

801
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:37,360
remember back in in hawthorne in the 60s

802
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,080
but

803
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,320
there is an obscure

804
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,760
song of hers you don't hear it much

805
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,600
and i don't think it figured very

806
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,960
prominently in the blondie repertoire it

807
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,679
was called diamond bridge

808
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,880
now for those

809
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,760
uninitiated who don't come from

810
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,399
hawthorne new jersey that sounds like a

811
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,880
you know a fantasy uh

812
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,840
title of a song diamond bridge

813
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,320
people might even think she's into drugs

814
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,480
or something diamond bridge

815
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,440
every song those days every song

816
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,559
was evaluated in terms of being a drug

817
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:17,120
song you know i got to get you into my

818
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,080
life

819
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,760
that was written primarily by paul

820
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,000
mccartney and that was his first

821
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:23,360
experience with

822
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,120
marijuana supposedly along comes mary

823
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,240
from the association was about marijuana

824
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,480
well they were all into it back then you

825
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,799
know yes we need to move past this

826
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,399
though and get back into the plan

827
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,080
normally

828
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,399
bill clinton saying i yes i had

829
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,519
marijuana but i didn't inhale you know

830
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:46,240
but i just i i'll give you the the final

831
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,080
the final uh put the cap on debbie harry

832
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,360
there is a song as i said an obscure one

833
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she doesn't perform it

834
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um

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you can find it on youtube and call

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diamond it'll like the gem

837
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diamond bridge

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now here's the inside skinny as we used

839
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to say years ago back in the 60s and 70s

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diamond bridge actually exists it's not

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a fictitious title

842
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it's not fantasy

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there is a the road the main trading

844
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road the main business street

845
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that goes right through the center of

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this little town of hawthorne new jersey

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of 16 000 people is called diamond

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bridge avenue

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there is a park

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a passaic county park

851
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called goffel park goeful brook park

852
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and the bridge that goes over the spring

853
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,200
the little brook there is called diamond

854
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,240
bridge

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now

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her parents

857
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had a little gift shop we used to uh

858
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,599
patronize that quite a bit they said

859
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stationary and

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little uh you know gifts that they would

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sell or parents

862
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uh

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the harry's ran that on diamond bridge

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avenue

865
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and so if you if you uh look up

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diamond bridge lyrics

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00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,119
you'll see

868
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an ode

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uh really it's very it's very poetic

870
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and it tells her whole desire that's

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what it boils down to her desire to

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cross that bridge and that gets back to

873
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what chris said

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to go back to the or over to the river

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to new york to leave suburban hawthorne

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new jersey behind and break out into the

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big world

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diamond bridge look under the lyrics

879
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,800
it's all there

880
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all right

881
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,480
and that's it for debbie harry

882
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,079
because she is

883
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not a mystic i guess

884
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or maybe she is

885
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you never know a lot of the rock people

886
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:01,680
were into

887
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,839
ufos ghosts any kind of mysticism it was

888
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,760
not uncommon

889
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,839
if you will let me uh permit me to say a

890
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,400
final word about debbie harry

891
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,000
we have 30 seconds

892
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,960
okay i have no inside information but

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i i it wouldn't surprise me in a bit

894
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a bit to know that she was into

895
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,040
the esoteric or the paranormal i i think

896
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she was a very bright girl and probably

897
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might very well be open to it

898
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very good

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let's move on we're going to get more

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into the paranormal

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bob cenati

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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you are listening to the paracast

1015
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chris o'brien is hanging out

1016
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in thailand

1017
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the poor soul eating pad thai or

1018
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something like that with chicken we have

1019
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gogs makai and bob zinati we're

1020
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,040
remembering the past and covering a lot

1021
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of different things and i wanted to

1022
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bring up something more current but only

1023
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in a general sense now every time

1024
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bob and gogs that we try to talk about

1025
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,040
politics on this show people freak

1026
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,440
because it's so polarized we have this

1027
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,839
thread over at the power cast forums

1028
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,319
which i established called the official

1029
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power cast political threat

1030
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everything has to be official over there

1031
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and boy the back and forth gets to be

1032
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pretty hot and heavy especially during

1033
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the election

1034
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,640
but the one development here is of

1035
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course that

1036
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the disclosure people

1037
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had hopes for hillary clinton because

1038
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she

1039
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seemed to be the ufo candidate

1040
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,280
she said she'd look into it on a number

1041
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,079
of tv shows and interviews and john

1042
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,240
podesta's kind of a ufo guy and i read a

1043
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,000
story the other day

1044
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,720
where stephen bassett

1045
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,920
says that he's been correspondence with

1046
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john podesta for 10 years

1047
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,880
many ads of course i send him emails he

1048
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,720
never responds to me

1049
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which means of course it's not

1050
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correspondence it is

1051
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he's emailing somebody

1052
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and by the way i did ask

1053
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,640
stephen bassett if you'd like to come on

1054
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,720
the power cast and we haven't been very

1055
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,400
kind to him so he declined respectfully

1056
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,880
but i wanted to be fair because of that

1057
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,640
now obviously

1058
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,319
hillary lost

1059
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,200
any hope that she do something

1060
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,880
as president

1061
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,480
ends with that

1062
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,079
whether she'll do anything private now

1063
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,480
that's a good question i don't know

1064
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,480
i i never had any faith that she was

1065
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,200
actually going to do something because

1066
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,960
the fact she was secretary state

1067
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,680
beforehand she's married to somebody who

1068
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supposedly had an interest really she

1069
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,480
was kind of right in the inner circle if

1070
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,640
she really wanted to find out i don't

1071
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,560
think she would have to wait until she

1072
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,920
herself was a president to do so

1073
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,599
so i'm a bit dubious about that i don't

1074
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,640
know if she

1075
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because i think we've said that said on

1076
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the podcast before that

1077
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,640
she would only answer ufo questions when

1078
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:38,079
they were brought up it's not like

1079
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,040
something

1080
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,880
she brought to the table and she would

1081
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announce when i get in or if i get in

1082
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,200
i'm going to do such and such regarding

1083
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,920
ufos it was always in response to a

1084
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,839
journalist or whatever's questions and

1085
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,960
what you're what you're just saying

1086
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,560
about john podesta gene i'm just

1087
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,640
thinking off top my head about you know

1088
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:58,079
chris mentioned about tom de long the ex

1089
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blink 182 front man who's put a book out

1090
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and he's

1091
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,760
supposedly having lots of contact with

1092
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,400
john podesta as well and i think he had

1093
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,640
been mooting that something was going to

1094
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,599
happen

1095
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,680
when they get in obviously he was hoping

1096
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,640
hillary was going to get in as well

1097
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,480
i'm not going to state a preference for

1098
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,040
either trump or hillary at all i'm not

1099
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,520
going to touch that with a barge pool um

1100
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,319
but yeah i i don't i don't believe that

1101
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,319
about that she was going to be any

1102
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,720
particular ufo candidate

1103
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,160
well that's typical

1104
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,400
you have presidential candidates who say

1105
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,200
something that may be positive for

1106
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,680
people interested in ufos they get into

1107
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:41,040
office

1108
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,560
and suddenly

1109
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,640
it all disappears

1110
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,440
it vanishes behind the curtain

1111
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,359
and perhaps they're saying that because

1112
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,760
they feel there's a ufo vote

1113
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,839
you know maybe if hillary got enough ufo

1114
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,440
votes she would have been elected

1115
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,720
president

1116
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,760
who knows but the one thing we do know

1117
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,160
is that donald trump said nothing that

1118
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,560
we know about the subject evidently

1119
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,359
wasn't even asked but i wonder whether

1120
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,280
somebody who claims to be outside the

1121
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,440
system would go in there and maybe get

1122
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,359
interested in it

1123
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,079
well i if i can jump in here i i've

1124
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,319
heard many discussions about disclosure

1125
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,640
and it's a never-ending story and i

1126
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,839
think goggs

1127
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,760
brings up a very good point and and so

1128
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:25,040
do you do

1129
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,000
gene

1130
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,319
i've often thought when it came to uh so

1131
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,560
much talk about hillary clinton

1132
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,040
john podesta talking about disclosure or

1133
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,720
they didn't talk about disclosure they

1134
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,280
said they would look into it and trying

1135
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,280
to get to the bottom of it

1136
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,680
i'm sorry to sound cynical it's it's not

1137
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
really part of my personal philosophy

1138
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:45,520
but it's what the french call a

1139
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:48,880
defomacion professional i've been a a

1140
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,880
political journalist now for uh 46 years

1141
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:55,200
and um you know i've seen it all hurt it

1142
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,000
all

1143
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,400
and as much as i would like to be

1144
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,400
optimistic and i try very hard to be

1145
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,680
optimistic

1146
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,599
i i can't help but be

1147
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,079
cynical about this as far as hillary

1148
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,079
clinton is concerned i i think you're

1149
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,400
right gene it's vote getting it was vote

1150
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,280
getting if one-legged toads had the

1151
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,200
right to vote in the election she'd be

1152
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,960
going after them

1153
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,520
uh she was going after anybody who had

1154
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,400
the right to vote and of course uh it's

1155
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,920
cheap and easy

1156
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,880
uh there's no commitment uh

1157
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,000
you know uh yes i will look into it and

1158
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,400
of course a few uh uh pieces of

1159
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,319
information are circulated that john

1160
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
podesta's has a personal interest in

1161
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,240
ufos that's certainly there's no

1162
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,240
guarantee that she's gonna get to the

1163
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,560
bottom of it and it's no guarantee that

1164
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,720
there's going to be disclosure

1165
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,119
uh the one issue that maybe we can uh

1166
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,200
chew the fat around here

1167
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,760
is the question of whether the president

1168
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,480
and this has been speculated about

1169
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,960
uh for a long time whether even the

1170
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,240
president

1171
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,720
has access to this information

1172
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,960
my personal view is and i'll throw this

1173
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,480
out on the table

1174
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,359
personally i don't buy the story that

1175
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,359
the pr even the president doesn't have

1176
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,240
the need to know and the military is is

1177
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,599
hiding all of this and is a conspiracy

1178
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,920
i'm willing to go you know a few steps

1179
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:20,079
towards some conspiracy theories but

1180
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,560
this one is too outrageous the president

1181
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,920
of the united states is the

1182
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,520
commander-in-chief

1183
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,400
and has legal access to every and all

1184
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,800
bits of intelligence and military

1185
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,000
information

1186
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,400
if he says i want to know about ufos

1187
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,400
he's going to find out or she's going to

1188
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,599
find out about it i think there's um

1189
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,599
there's something fishy about the whole

1190
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:43,920
thing about disclosure

1191
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,520
yeah i agree totally bob um because

1192
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:49,680
i mean a president surely could even

1193
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:53,040
just write an executive order

1194
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,240
you know

1195
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
from naming himself as somebody who

1196
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,119
should be reading into whatever but i

1197
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,440
always go back to the point that well

1198
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:04,880
even if there is a an active

1199
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:08,480
you know uh quasi-government

1200
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,240
uh group who is keeping the lid on ufos

1201
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,160
there could always be what what you

1202
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,240
would suppose you'd call an accidental

1203
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,880
disclosure literally something you know

1204
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,200
like a maybe even a human-made flying

1205
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,599
saucer copied from an alien one or

1206
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,680
whatever but anyway crash is very

1207
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,079
publicly something happens that lets the

1208
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,079
cat out the bag and you couldn't have

1209
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:33,200
the president completely in the dark and

1210
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,400
having to

1211
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,559
start from scratch if such a thing

1212
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,880
happened he'd because he'd suddenly have

1213
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,880
to be brought you know people would want

1214
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,960
to know from the commander-in-chief

1215
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,319
what's happening what they're going to

1216
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,200
do about it and i don't believe that

1217
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,040
they would only

1218
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,680
er you know brief a president

1219
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,839
if such a thing were to happen i do

1220
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,240
believe that maybe depending on who's in

1221
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,400
or maybe depending on who's got to do

1222
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,680
the telling if you like doing the

1223
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,079
briefing maybe they get told certain

1224
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,400
differing amounts and maybe they

1225
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,720
maybe their different presidents are

1226
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,960
interested to different degrees you know

1227
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,480
we know carter would have been

1228
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,680
interested

1229
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,040
um

1230
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,359
and maybe they get as much as they kind

1231
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,480
of want and you know i don't think obama

1232
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,559
he's never to me i know he's made the

1233
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,040
odd kind of funny comment about roswell

1234
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,760
and area 51 or whatever but i never got

1235
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,520
the impression he was even remotely

1236
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,400
interested and let's face it we all know

1237
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,160
people are family members and stuff

1238
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,040
they've got zero not even a one percent

1239
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,520
interest in ufos and there's no reason

1240
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,280
that it should be any different for

1241
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,119
politicians or people who make it to the

1242
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,599
white house so i i've got to think that

1243
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,000
really as commander-in-chief um head of

1244
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,720
the country that i i think if there's

1245
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,880
something to be told like if there is

1246
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,760
active american participation military

1247
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,960
whatever

1248
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,720
i think they would need to be told

1249
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,480
pretty early on

1250
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,960
to a degree and they've got to swear all

1251
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,520
kind of you know oaths of office and

1252
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,520
it's just expected that they're going to

1253
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,040
be able to um

1254
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,680
you know handle classified information

1255
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,440
and they

1256
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,359
it's not like they're kind of low down

1257
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,520
on the pecking order of how much they

1258
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,200
should be exposed to what they should be

1259
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,760
read into i mean there absolutely should

1260
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,000
be i mean this whole you know i don't

1261
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,800
know 37 levels of top secret above the

1262
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,839
president well i i had a top secret

1263
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,839
clearance and i'm not saying i was had

1264
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,400
access to everything or whatever

1265
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,920
but the idea that there is 37 levels

1266
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,119
above

1267
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,200
whatever and you would imagine each

1268
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,000
level is even more kind of

1269
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,079
as a smaller level in terms of how many

1270
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,480
people are exposed to this information

1271
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,200
that just makes no sense to me at all

1272
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,119
you've got you've literally got things

1273
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:53,760
that are top secret and then they're

1274
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,559
compartmented by code words and you're

1275
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,119
either in them or not and they are kind

1276
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,599
of at the same level there's no like

1277
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,680
super super super super super super

1278
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,440
secret anything

1279
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,640
um it just it would just be something

1280
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,880
restricted to fewer and fewer people but

1281
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,079
there's no kind of

1282
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,640
pecking order to do to that not that i'm

1283
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,160
aware of anyway and i certainly don't

1284
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,319
believe that president has you know the

1285
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,720
sorry that the people in the ufo secret

1286
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,960
are 37 levels above the president i've

1287
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,280
never bought that at all either bob

1288
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,640
let's continue with that in our next

1289
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,119
segment disclosure what do the

1290
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,559
presidents

1291
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,559
know or don't know

1292
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,559
and are they given information that

1293
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,280
makes them not want to tell you about it

1294
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:38,640
bob sanati

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have goggs makai from scotland

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bob zanotti from switzerland and gene

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steinberg who must be somewhere in outer

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space i think

1372
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,599
i haven't decided yet and the question

1373
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,960
on the table

1374
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,359
whether there are 37 classifications

1375
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,359
above top secret

1376
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,359
does the president of the united states

1377
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,400
know

1378
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,839
anything

1379
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,640
and if he does about ufos

1380
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,599
does that prevent him from telling us

1381
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,200
you know how

1382
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,760
is he read in if there is a secret if

1383
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:37,599
they read the president in do they say

1384
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,800
this is why you can't say anything

1385
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:43,200
we don't know because he will never tell

1386
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,319
us

1387
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,520
or

1388
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,440
some people say hey

1389
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:49,200
he doesn't have the need to know don't

1390
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,720
tell him just you know placate him

1391
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,799
say well you know there's nothing to it

1392
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,319
goodbye

1393
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,040
i wouldn't know i kind of think as

1394
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,079
bob would say the president has asano

1395
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,319
if there's a secret if he is even

1396
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,400
willing to check it out

1397
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,200
that's the point gene if if you allow me

1398
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,160
to jump in here and follow up on what

1399
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,359
gog said

1400
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,359
before the break and what you have just

1401
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,839
said i think all of the above are

1402
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,040
correct it's a game of words

1403
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,400
i remember in my early university uh

1404
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:27,200
journalism classes studying the art of

1405
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,160
propaganda and one of the uh the rules

1406
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,400
of propaganda and goggs probably knows

1407
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:33,839
us very well

1408
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,880
he was probably in uh in in a field of

1409
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,240
operations which actually functioned uh

1410
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
on this principle

1411
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,400
the art of propaganda is not what you

1412
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,640
tell people but what you don't tell

1413
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,160
people

1414
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:50,480
that's the that's the real issue

1415
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,839
and i think that it could very well be

1416
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,319
that there are levels of security even

1417
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,040
above the president but

1418
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,200
my take on it would be

1419
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:02,240
that

1420
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,520
military establishment the pentagon

1421
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,040
the nsa whichever we want to talk about

1422
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,720
they have

1423
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:14,799
a lot of information

1424
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,839
which they don't deluge the president

1425
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,640
with

1426
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,359
there may be a feeling that does he this

1427
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,079
this term need to know maybe they

1428
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,400
honestly believe the president does not

1429
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,480
have the need to know maybe the

1430
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,280
president really doesn't want to know

1431
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,319
but i would use the phrase on demand

1432
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,680
information

1433
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,640
the president has the golden key we're

1434
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,559
talking about the american political

1435
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,079
system obviously

1436
00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:44,960
the president is the supreme commander

1437
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,440
of the american military establishment

1438
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,799
constitutionally he has the right to

1439
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,640
know everything

1440
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,119
every single day even uh

1441
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:57,760
donald trump now is being given

1442
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,520
daily top-level high security

1443
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:04,000
data information to prepare him for the

1444
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,280
presidency

1445
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:07,920
there are so many problems in our world

1446
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,720
and i'm speaking now as a a seasoned uh

1447
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,799
political journalist an international

1448
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,920
broadcaster an old shortwave guy who

1449
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,920
dealt with a lot of this peripheral

1450
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:18,799
stuff

1451
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,079
politicians have got to set a limit they

1452
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,359
have their own

1453
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,599
red lines what they want to know and

1454
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,200
what they don't and they're surrounded

1455
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,160
by people who protect them all the time

1456
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,280
the president is simply not physically

1457
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,319
or emotionally or psychologically

1458
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,720
in a position to absorb all of the

1459
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,520
information and don't forget that we

1460
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,839
here on the paracast are

1461
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,720
deeply devoted and interested and

1462
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,680
dedicated to the search for knowledge

1463
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:51,599
and information about

1464
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,960
these very specific fields of esoteric

1465
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,520
knowledge to use that term i would not

1466
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,079
assume that the average person which

1467
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,760
includes the president of the united

1468
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,319
states is interested in this except

1469
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,480
maybe for clinton or podesta and as i

1470
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,400
said uh in the last

1471
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,040
segment uh i think it was vote getting i

1472
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:13,200
i you know i don't i don't question that

1473
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,079
maybe

1474
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,160
hillary clinton and john podesta have a

1475
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,680
serious interest in this but i don't

1476
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,640
think they were going to make it a

1477
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,119
national priority the world is falling

1478
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,000
apart america to a large extent is in

1479
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,880
shambles and i don't think divulging

1480
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,000
information about ufos is very high on

1481
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,599
their agenda and there is also the this

1482
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,799
aspect

1483
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:37,760
if the president wants to know he or she

1484
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,359
holds the golden key to all information

1485
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:44,960
there is no wall there is no lock that

1486
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,920
the american presidency cannot unlock i

1487
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,000
i'm convinced of that but the question

1488
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,880
is do they want to do they even care and

1489
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,119
that's where i would use this term

1490
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,920
on demand information if they speak up

1491
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,920
and they pound their fist on the table

1492
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,280
and say general

1493
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,839
i want i'm going to have your head if i

1494
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,960
do not have every dossier on ufos and i

1495
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:08,960
want clear information here and i want

1496
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,359
it one hour or else you're out of here

1497
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,280
on the other hand what could also happen

1498
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,680
this is another conspiracy theory

1499
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,720
is that

1500
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,200
when he's read in

1501
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,880
before he takes the oath of office or

1502
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,960
after he's read in

1503
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:24,799
and they say you really don't want to

1504
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,400
ask you really don't want to ask and

1505
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,480
depending on the level of curiosity of

1506
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,319
the president well we've got these 10

1507
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:35,040
different crises to face let's set that

1508
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,160
aside

1509
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,000
and maybe we'll revisit it later so he

1510
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,520
deals with the 10

1511
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,280
different things and then there's 20

1512
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,920
more things and he's so busy unless

1513
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,920
there was a compelling need

1514
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,079
for him to know about ufos

1515
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,839
that's the point gene they can just blow

1516
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,920
him off that's the point exactly the

1517
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,240
point i'm trying to make it's not high

1518
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,960
on the priority list i mean let's take

1519
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,799
let's go back to the favorite our

1520
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,160
favorite discussion roswell let's visit

1521
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,480
that in the sense that maybe it happened

1522
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,960
let us assume for the sake of of

1523
01:01:11,230 --> 01:01:08,960
argument and rhetoric

1524
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,240
that there actually was a crash of

1525
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,040
extraterrestrials and they had little

1526
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,960
bodies that they took away in

1527
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:17,200
little coffins and put them up somewhere

1528
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,960
in in area 51. let's assume this is true

1529
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:22,319
but now

1530
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,559
we're in the year 2016 2016

1531
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,640
nothing has happened we have not been

1532
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,440
invaded by flying saucers the day the

1533
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,920
earth stood still has not yet happened

1534
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,079
no world capital has been visited that

1535
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,520
we're aware of

1536
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,000
i mean there's lots of stuff below the

1537
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,480
surface brewing but it's not enough to

1538
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,480
awake the interest of

1539
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,400
someone as powerful as the president of

1540
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,079
the united states or the president of

1541
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,559
france or the the chancellor of germany

1542
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,559
they've got other problems or the

1543
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,240
british prime minister

1544
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,760
if the country

1545
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,319
if the world is not in immediate threat

1546
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,200
of these things or from these things

1547
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,520
they're not going to worry about it

1548
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:05,680
maybe maybe there was some scuttlebug

1549
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:08,960
maybe a bud let's say a president for

1550
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,000
example or a prime minister was told at

1551
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,079
a cocktail party somewhere

1552
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,319
well you know madam prime minister or

1553
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:18,240
you know mr president

1554
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,520
you know he might say hey is there

1555
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,200
anything to this flying saucer stuff

1556
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,839
he's oh we got lots on it but there's

1557
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,839
really nothing to worry about but you've

1558
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:28,319
got a pile of other stuff on your desk i

1559
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,680
i don't doubt for a moment that

1560
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,680
discussions like this actually happen

1561
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,440
but they never come to the surface

1562
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:35,920
because there's no immediate need there

1563
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,119
is no national threat and that is the

1564
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,280
threshold

1565
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,160
in which a head of state or powerful

1566
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,319
person will will kick in

1567
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,319
is there a national threat is there a

1568
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:51,280
national danger and so far as far as we

1569
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:52,400
can see

1570
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,079
ufos do not create or do not represent

1571
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:59,359
a national or international danger

1572
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,839
now let's get back to this

1573
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,280
conspiratorial version of that bob and

1574
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,480
that is

1575
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,440
okay

1576
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,559
no threat to national security or

1577
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,319
the reverse is true

1578
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:12,480
they know ufos are hostile

1579
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,680
they have

1580
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:15,200
some kind of

1581
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,400
intent

1582
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,799
to harm us or they appear to have that

1583
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,960
intent we don't know we can't do

1584
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,200
anything about it mr president

1585
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,920
so he along with his cabinet secretaries

1586
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:26,880
and his

1587
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,599
people will say you know what we can't

1588
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,000
say anything now because it would cause

1589
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,319
panic we just have to figure out how to

1590
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,960
handle it and when and if we do

1591
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,799
we can make an announcement but right

1592
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now it wouldn't be

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prudent oh

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1700
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1701
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can't keep the guy from performing bob

1705
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,799
zanati

1706
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,640
gogs makai

1707
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,000
soggs

1708
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,159
when it comes to the ultimate conspiracy

1709
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:32,400
theory ufos are hostile

1710
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:35,199
keeping it a secret would make sense

1711
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,319
wouldn't it

1712
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,520
yes i mean as as much as i would like to

1713
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:41,520
think you know we we would have a right

1714
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,799
to know

1715
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,799
i do understand

1716
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,040
that with the people who

1717
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,759
have to make decisions about these large

1718
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,199
questions

1719
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,359
well we know sometimes even just with

1720
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,759
maybe bad weather coming or tornado

1721
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,319
coming or something a hurricane coming

1722
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:00,960
something is often the roads can get

1723
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,920
totally jam-packed with people leaving

1724
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,279
and

1725
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:07,679
if there did seem to be some real kind

1726
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,719
of threat i do believe there could be a

1727
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,480
panic depending on

1728
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,719
what the threat was perceived to be and

1729
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,040
how it was kind of broadcast to the

1730
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:19,359
people in what tone or whatever but

1731
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,960
maybe the truth is quite ugly and quite

1732
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,560
frightening either

1733
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:26,640
evening i think probably the most

1734
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,000
frightening thing for a government is

1735
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:32,400
that they are completely in the dark is

1736
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,239
that they they know there's something

1737
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,640
going on but they're literally as

1738
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,880
clueless as the three of us

1739
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,960
and for governments i suppose that's

1740
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,400
probably the worst position to be in

1741
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,480
because they've no idea which way to

1742
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,000
turn what to do

1743
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,640
they don't like to be seen by the

1744
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:50,799
electorate by the people

1745
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,839
to not have a handle on things and to to

1746
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,520
have to admit that

1747
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,080
yes this this is definitely going on

1748
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,640
worldwide we don't know what it is we

1749
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,640
we can't or haven't made contact we

1750
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,159
don't know what the intentions are we

1751
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,040
cannot work out it may be the reason is

1752
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,120
just that they don't know and that's

1753
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,960
kind of almost worse

1754
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,560
almost worse than admitting yes the

1755
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,800
soviets are a threat would be somewhere

1756
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,560
like north korea where you just don't

1757
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,840
really know because it's such a

1758
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,640
secretive country so maybe you know the

1759
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,199
subject to ufos if if we don't have much

1760
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,800
of a handle on it but we know it's

1761
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,719
happening then that could be really

1762
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,719
worrying and that's another reason not

1763
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,199
to say anything at all because it could

1764
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,360
be really bad but either way if they

1765
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,040
don't know about it

1766
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:37,840
well i uh goggs i think that you're

1767
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,600
you're absolutely right on there from my

1768
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,760
listening to you in previous paracasts

1769
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,679
we don't know each other personally it's

1770
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,840
the first contact we've had and uh i've

1771
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,840
always admired you incidentally you're a

1772
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,560
very bright guy and you uh have a lot of

1773
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:54,320
intelligent things to say which has

1774
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,040
always impressed me you have government

1775
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,040
uh background

1776
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,880
military not government yeah well

1777
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,960
government and military is part of the

1778
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,320
government normally

1779
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:07,199
uh you have a military background okay

1780
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,239
and um

1781
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,000
you know military people don't don't

1782
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,320
fool around they're pretty level headed

1783
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:15,920
and i i think um the issue is

1784
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,960
first of all to repeat myself and

1785
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,880
it's been said again

1786
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,880
if there's no immediate threat the

1787
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:25,440
military doesn't kick in but of course

1788
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,120
as you i believe know very well goggs

1789
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:31,679
and i am not a spy who's been following

1790
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:33,040
you

1791
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:37,280
oh

1792
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,910
anyway you realize how these things go

1793
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:48,480
there's a lot of money is thrown

1794
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,719
at uh sometimes very unpromising uh

1795
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,400
research projects

1796
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:57,280
and uh it could be uh flying saucers it

1797
01:12:03,510 --> 01:11:58,159
could be

1798
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,520
uh to assassinate political leaders or

1799
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,520
something they you know the the the

1800
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:07,440
military establishment and certainly the

1801
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,239
secret services spend huge amounts or

1802
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,719
squander use amounts of money in this

1803
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,480
but i i i think

1804
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:16,320
an ironclad

1805
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,040
if there were really a phenomenon

1806
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,000
i somehow i've i'm not the first one to

1807
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,920
say this i know it but it should have

1808
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,239
come out by now of course there are

1809
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,719
those who claim it has we just haven't

1810
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,679
looked for it that's all

1811
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,719
but

1812
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,400
i think um

1813
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:40,880
the the first reaction as i say of the

1814
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,159
military is going to be is there a

1815
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,239
national threat

1816
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,320
and we know nato has a lot of

1817
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,480
intelligence information there is a lot

1818
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,920
of international

1819
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,560
uh the the allied or friendly nations

1820
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:57,120
have a lot of information exchange

1821
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,080
um

1822
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,679
the question is they may very well

1823
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,400
have identified phenomena

1824
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,560
of this kind that we generally describe

1825
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,159
as ufos

1826
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,760
or ets

1827
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,679
but i think like the rest of us and this

1828
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,920
is what you were saying cogs they really

1829
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,360
don't know

1830
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,159
any more than we do about it i mean

1831
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,159
they're probably speculating just the

1832
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,920
same way we are

1833
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:23,360
and um

1834
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,560
we will never we'll never really know

1835
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,760
uh

1836
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:28,800
unless

1837
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,600
a flying saucer sets down

1838
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,800
in central park or in hyde park london

1839
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,320
or something

1840
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,400
and this never seems to happen which is

1841
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:40,320
always puzzling there's another thing

1842
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:41,920
which always puzzled me and i'm an

1843
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,800
internationalist i'm in switzerland

1844
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,960
and when i hear discussions about flying

1845
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,480
saucers

1846
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,239
and i know there is an answer to this

1847
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,360
but i always find it interesting that

1848
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,760
the the reports of flying saucers that i

1849
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,040
hear about

1850
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,040
always seem to come from the united

1851
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,719
states

1852
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,280
and i i'm always puzzled as to why this

1853
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:05,520
should be i know you in the uk have got

1854
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,400
a lot of reports and reports from brazil

1855
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,360
and the reports from china and japan and

1856
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,600
italy and everything else but the whole

1857
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,199
folklore

1858
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,400
uh around flying saucers going back to

1859
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,840
uh to kenneth arnold in 1947

1860
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,400
revolves around the united states and

1861
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,480
the thought that i've had

1862
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,520
and looking uh i've also contributed a

1863
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,280
few comments which were not well

1864
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:34,000
received on the forum on the paracast

1865
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,880
forum

1866
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:37,920
uh a couple of years several years ago

1867
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:40,000
um for example i think it was in new

1868
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,280
mexico

1869
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,840
uh where people were constantly seeing

1870
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,159
strange things in the sky

1871
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,840
and i actually did some journalistic

1872
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,840
research and found out that that sector

1873
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:52,560
of northwestern northeastern

1874
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,400
nevada is a military test zone

1875
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:57,760
so

1876
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:00,719
i think you know where i'm going here

1877
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,000
um i really believe there are flying

1878
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,199
saucers but i don't know or or

1879
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,719
extraterrestrial or whatever visitations

1880
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,440
we have phenomena that are being seen

1881
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,679
and i believe that there there's a lot

1882
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,679
of this stuff which is really true

1883
01:15:21,070 --> 01:15:19,520
but i simply don't know where it comes

1884
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,080
from we can get into the

1885
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,280
multi-dimensional theory we can get into

1886
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,480
the classic

1887
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,640
flying saucers from another planet or

1888
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:28,480
whatever you want to say i'm sure it

1889
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,440
exists

1890
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,000
but i think an awful lot of the stuff

1891
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,040
that's being seen is probably military

1892
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,760
test aircraft

1893
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,440
i mean i know a lot of would a lot of

1894
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,120
people would disagree with that but i

1895
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,120
think there's a lot of confusion

1896
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,120
especially so many of the reports from

1897
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,920
the united states are really uh

1898
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:50,480
conventional or you know unconventional

1899
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,840
military objects that are being tested

1900
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,159
let me throw a few things out here now

1901
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,000
as you probably recall bob our old

1902
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:00,719
friend jim mosley used to

1903
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,159
send an earth theory about ufos

1904
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,719
he used to use that theory i think just

1905
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,719
to be different or maybe he believed

1906
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,199
some of it but i remember a conversation

1907
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,000
he had with dr leon davidson

1908
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,480
who was a guy who released the

1909
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:18,480
printed copy of

1910
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,840
the project blue book special report 14

1911
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,760
back in the 60s

1912
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,840
and he changed his theory because dr

1913
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:27,840
davidson who had worked

1914
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,480
with government credentials said

1915
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,360
something that he backtrack on and jim

1916
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,120
gave up his earth theory as a result

1917
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,040
we've got more to come we're talking to

1918
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:40,080
bob zanati and goggs makai you're in the

1919
01:16:53,229 --> 01:16:52,390
thank you for listening to gcn

1920
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:53,239
visit

1921
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:59,830
how confident are you in your food

1922
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:02,800
storage if it was all you had to rely on

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okay continuing with bob sanati and gogs

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and makai

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sleeping

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okay

2031
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now one of the early linchpins of the

2032
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,800
ufo field is the kenneth arnold sighting

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01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,520
june 24th 1947.9

2034
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,760
objects seen near mount rainier in the

2035
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state of washington he estimated that

2036
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,360
they traveled at 1200 miles an hour

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01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,960
now if you look at your historical

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01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:52,719
record you'll find that

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01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,400
the speed of sound less than half that

2040
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:58,159
was not exceeded

2041
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,360
until

2042
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:01,040
later that year

2043
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:02,000
so

2044
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,880
if

2045
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,760
arnold was correct in that estimation

2046
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,800
then

2047
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,080
supposedly

2048
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,320
these craft were flying faster than any

2049
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,320
known aircraft but there could be other

2050
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,159
solutions there number one is he was

2051
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,840
wrong with his estimates for whatever

2052
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:17,679
reason maybe they were going 500 miles

2053
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,320
an hour perfectly possible maybe he was

2054
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,480
wrong maybe there were test aircraft

2055
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,280
that could go mach 2

2056
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,320
okay

2057
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,800
but officially they didn't exist

2058
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,880
for a couple of years or so later

2059
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,679
so

2060
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:33,040
right there

2061
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:34,639
what would have happened to the ufo

2062
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,840
field

2063
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,920
if kenneth arnold's sighting was easily

2064
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,199
explained

2065
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,360
as just test aircraft

2066
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,280
that's the end of it

2067
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,440
it doesn't mean there wouldn't be ufos

2068
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,440
but certainly the one of the main

2069
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,159
reasons for all the publicity was the

2070
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,960
way he described those objects saucers

2071
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,880
skipping across water or some such and

2072
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,360
they said flying saucers and that was it

2073
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,239
it became a cultural phenomenon if ufos

2074
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,440
had not become a cultural phenomenon

2075
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,960
what might have happened

2076
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,159
it's hard to discount the the beginning

2077
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,960
as being from the the reports of current

2078
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,639
uh kenneth arnold

2079
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,199
and i know many people say well you know

2080
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,360
well stanton friedman for one he would

2081
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,199
say that you know the reason that else

2082
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:21,120
kicked off around that time is to do

2083
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,840
with

2084
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you know atom bombs and what have you i

2085
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:27,040
can imagine a parallel earth

2086
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,560
you know uh in history in which kenneth

2087
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,800
arnold's sighting doesn't happen

2088
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,040
and you got to wonder if the if the

2089
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:38,000
media hadn't picked up that then that

2090
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,520
maybe maybe

2091
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,159
during the next 10 years or so it would

2092
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,719
have got to the same point of interest

2093
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,800
but that may have definitely been the

2094
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,719
start of a snowball

2095
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:50,800
rolling down the hill in that

2096
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:53,760
it just maybe as sometimes news stories

2097
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,880
do they gather momentum and then because

2098
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,199
of that people start looking up the sky

2099
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,520
and maybe most of them are seeing test

2100
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,360
aircraft or whatever

2101
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,960
weather balloons whatever they just

2102
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,440
didn't really look up before but you can

2103
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,840
totally see you could argue that just

2104
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,600
because of one story that went

2105
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,320
nationwide probably worldwide you know

2106
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,480
because of the the the increased

2107
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,719
interest that could have kind of

2108
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,719
literally started the whole flying

2109
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:22,000
saucer thing

2110
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,880
and

2111
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,960
whether or not there are real flying

2112
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:27,600
saucers at that time or not that may

2113
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:29,920
have snowballed on and at the same time

2114
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,480
if the sighting hadn't happened at some

2115
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,320
point maybe someone else would have come

2116
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,679
out with a sighting that would have

2117
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,320
snowballed on but i think i think most

2118
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:40,880
people do trace it back to him not the

2119
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:43,760
first strange objects claimed to be seen

2120
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:46,719
in the sky by a long mile but definitely

2121
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,920
the start of modern ufological craze is

2122
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,040
then

2123
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,840
i just wanted to quickly go back to the

2124
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,840
presidential thing for a minute but not

2125
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,199
on ufos

2126
01:25:03,030 --> 01:24:59,840
what do we know about any previous

2127
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:03,040
presidents and anything else that's

2128
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,480
paranormal

2129
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,120
i'm thinking about how you know well the

2130
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:09,679
white house is supposedly haunted

2131
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,639
um and we know that reagan

2132
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,120
used astrology

2133
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:18,239
so we've got clinton ufos

2134
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,199
reagan astrology which a lot of people

2135
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,000
would say was paranormal um but i'm not

2136
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,400
really aware of any other presidents

2137
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:28,719
that are known for any other kind of

2138
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,040
paranormal interest do you two know

2139
01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:36,000
well i i can only speculate that um the

2140
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,360
the golden age of uh

2141
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,760
spiritualism and the occult was in the

2142
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,840
late 19th century

2143
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,440
that would be interesting if there were

2144
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,360
some scholars

2145
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,040
and i'm not one

2146
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,520
but someone who could uh speculate or

2147
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,560
even bring evidence about uh interest

2148
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,880
in the white house at that time what you

2149
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,760
say goggs is absolutely correct

2150
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,760
uh i would assume it's probably not a

2151
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:03,360
new phenomenon

2152
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:04,400
it's just that

2153
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:07,040
a lot of the stuff gets lost in history

2154
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:08,400
maybe theodore

2155
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:09,520
roosevelt

2156
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,080
used to have seances in the white house

2157
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,400
i don't know pure speculation i'm sure

2158
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,719
i've actually heard that a few sitting

2159
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,880
presidents have claimed to have seen the

2160
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,040
ghost of abraham lincoln or whatever and

2161
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,840
you know his bed the lincoln bedroom or

2162
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,440
whatever is

2163
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:27,199
haunted but wasn't the queen victoria

2164
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,560
said she saw him

2165
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,400
uh i'm not sure actually but i

2166
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,560
definitely seem to remember

2167
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,960
i read this uh recently uh queen

2168
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,760
victoria i can't verify the source so

2169
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,840
it's journalistically unsound

2170
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,159
but i saw it on the internet um

2171
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,320
at a fairly reliable source but i can't

2172
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:46,960
i can't quote it at the moment

2173
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,159
that queen victoria was on a state visit

2174
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,639
to washington and in the uh

2175
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,320
she heard a knock on the door opened the

2176
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,080
door and there was abraham lincoln

2177
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,159
standing there that sounds absolutely

2178
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:01,199
incredible and absurd may very well be

2179
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:03,760
but that was one anecdote that i read

2180
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,480
about

2181
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,719
maybe somebody in the forum can fill me

2182
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,280
on this but i'm pretty sure it's

2183
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,600
maybe one or two presidents certainly in

2184
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,760
the last hundred years have claimed to

2185
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,880
have seen

2186
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:17,440
ghosts of former presidents and

2187
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,280
i think i think the name link can

2188
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,800
definitely come up i don't know about

2189
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,960
any of the other previous presidents the

2190
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,560
previous 44.

2191
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:25,840
um gene

2192
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,679
does that ring a bell at all

2193
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:29,920
with regard to previous presidents

2194
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,199
yeah yes and like ghost sightings in the

2195
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:35,840
white house whatever oh boy

2196
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,560
offhand i've heard a few things here and

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there but i just can't think which

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president might be involved i mean we

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know

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that nancy reagan of course was

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consulting with a psychic

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and there were stories that in his

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second term ronald reagan was already

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suffering from the effects of

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alzheimer's although that was not

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made public until years later

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uh listen guys could i uh break in with

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this anecdote which is very timely

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regarding

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the american presidential election

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i spent a lot of time in the internet as

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we all do and i i read some very

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interesting stuff

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did you hear did you did you two hear

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about the chinese monkey prophet

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uh was came out last week

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on the net

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and he this monkey had predicted that

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that donald trump would win the

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presidency

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apparently this monkey is considered

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worshipped almost as a as a prophet

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01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:38,719
he um was given two photographs he he

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projected uh correctly predicted

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football or soccer championships

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things like this and he was given two

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pictures donald trump and hillary

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clinton

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and he went sorry about the pun but he

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went ape

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over donald trump and even gave him a

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kiss

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and there was also a group of um if we

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wanted to bring a

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an esoteric or paranormal twist to the

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election

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i

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recently heard about a group of uh

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remote viewers a panel i think seven of

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them

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and five of the seven this was of course

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before the election said they did not

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see

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uh hillary clinton winning the election

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the the the thing about the monkey

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reminds me of um the soccer world cup

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i'm not i'm not even a soccer fan being

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british but

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if a world cup or two ago was there not

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some octopus or something that was

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correctly predicting i mean really well

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past chance

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correct correctly predicting who was

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going to

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win the games in each round of the

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competition

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and i think i think that kind of started

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a meme about

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animals predicting things

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and so i don't know if the monkey came

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after the octopus or whatever um

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but i hadn't heard about remote viewers

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saying that hillary clinton would not

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become president but um

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i suppose uh i suppose

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it's a strange formulation cogs instead

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of coming out and saying donald trump is

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going to win

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the the person responsible or involved

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in the experiment

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uh simply said i thought the wording was

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rather strange um the the majority of

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the panel did not see hillary clinton

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winning let's do our break guys bob

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yes bob zenati the wording is kind of

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strange there because that would imply

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it wouldn't be trump either

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well it was it was uh covering all bets

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really i mean uh of course you know i

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know you don't like to get into politics

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but

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there is i mean i think it's legitimate

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to bring up the question of a third

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party candidate which is a a hot potato

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in american politics and

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it's been speculated i think quite

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justly

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that uh had bernie sanders been put up

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by the democrats the outcome of the

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election might have been

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entirely different i've got something

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else just come to mind about the the

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presidential election and that is

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something i've brought up before is what

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is it about the united states and

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political dynasties so you've got the

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kennedys you've got the

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the clintons well nearly the clintons in

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terms of presidency and i don't know if

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it's being

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mooted much over in the united states

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but on the bbc news website which is

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where i get most of my news

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there's already been stories about

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michelle obama i know she doesn't want

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to run about but running for president

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in 2020 and i'm thinking give other

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people a chance stop stop trying to get

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the job for your brother or your wife or

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your son or your nephew i think that's

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highly undemocratic to have these

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political dynasties and the bushes where

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you just it just it just seems to be

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just as bad as the british aristocracy

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or or the the monarchy in that you know

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we're keeping it all for themselves we

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don't want anyone and anyone else to

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have the job and certainly not anyone of

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the riff raff um what do you guys think

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about political dynasties in the united

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states

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maybe most americans are are for that

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kind of thing don't see anything wrong

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with it kind of but to me it's it's very

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undemocratic

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01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,560
well let me jump in here i mean um

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i i know that uh

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or i sense and i think that um gene

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doesn't want the program to get uh too

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much political but i i i think the

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answer the first thing that comes to my

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mind gog is a very interesting point you

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make i think it has to do with an old

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tradition of so-called

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prominent families it seems to be an old

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american tradition uh particularly alive

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in uh the southern states of the united

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states

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and in new england

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and look at massachusetts the well-known

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families and i think it's very apt to

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what you said that is sort of the

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american equivalent of aristocracy

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americans like to pretend that everyone

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it's an egalitarian society

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like the french you know uh

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egalite

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liberte but i don't think it works uh

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quite the way the theory is uh is put i

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i think that's what it is it's also it

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helps make the decision

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easier

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it's a known product it's it's a brand

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you know i hate that

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modern marketing brands everything

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that's a good analogy bob i had never

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thought of it as a brand but that you're

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quite right

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yeah it's like we could start calling

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roswell a brand you know it is a brand

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01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,600
isn't it it is a brand i mean that's

2468
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,400
what it is you know you say roswell and

2469
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,320
everybody knows you say lifesavers

2470
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,560
everybody knows coca-cola everybody

2471
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,520
knows

2472
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,400
uh and and i think this is largely what

2473
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,320
it is it's it's just

2474
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,040
basically marketing marketing people

2475
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,639
rather than products

2476
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,880
you see i'm always bothered by the fact

2477
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:49,360
that roswell is like another linchpin of

2478
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:50,960
ufo reality

2479
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:53,199
if roswell turned out to be

2480
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,360
a test aircraft had crashed

2481
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:57,440
a test balloon all the excuses and

2482
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:58,400
everything

2483
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:01,040
roswell turns out to be conventional

2484
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,800
it doesn't end the ufo mystery nor does

2485
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,119
any revelation that the kenneth arnold

2486
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:08,639
sighting might have been conventional it

2487
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,040
doesn't but we're spending so much time

2488
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,760
invested in roswell it's a brand a lot

2489
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,400
of money is being made over roswell a

2490
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:18,560
lot of books have been written

2491
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,960
that shouldn't be the be on end all and

2492
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,880
that's one thing that always concerns me

2493
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,960
i just wish we could set it aside but

2494
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,560
here's what happens we say on the power

2495
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:28,560
cast we are not going to talk about

2496
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:30,960
roswell anymore enough

2497
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:33,840
we've had enough of it but you know what

2498
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,840
they want to hear it anytime we bring on

2499
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:37,679
a roswell guest they want to talk about

2500
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:38,400
it

2501
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,159
so we had kevin randall on a number of

2502
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,840
months back and he had written a book

2503
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,080
called roswell in the 21st century or

2504
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:48,320
for the 21st century i'm not going to

2505
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,360
look it up

2506
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,199
and he gave us a preview of it that some

2507
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,119
of the evidence that they accepted for

2508
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,080
roswell on re-examination wasn't quite

2509
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,639
there didn't make it although

2510
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,119
i think one of the big things was the

2511
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:03,600
alleged being seen in connection with

2512
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,760
roswell that he came to

2513
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:08,159
believe less and less now if anyone

2514
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:09,760
wants to know kevin randle's doing a

2515
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,400
radio show now his own radio show as a

2516
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,159
result of which he's not doing too many

2517
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,639
other shows for a while but he'll be

2518
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,639
back but there you go

2519
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,639
we're depending too much on roswell

2520
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,960
depending too much on kenneth arnold

2521
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,719
and i just hope we'll move past it

2522
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:25,840
someday

2523
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,320
but not in my lifetime probably but gene

2524
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,400
let me let me stir the pot for a moment

2525
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,320
here and i hope okay let's let me get my

2526
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:34,320
spoon go ahead

2527
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:37,600
i need a ladle let me get my pot

2528
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,270
i like i prefer wooden spoons i cook a

2529
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,719
lot of sauces

2530
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,080
and i i don't mean this to be

2531
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,400
provocative especially after what you've

2532
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,480
just said but you know the thought just

2533
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,080
occurred to me we dwell on roswell well

2534
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:58,480
a lot of people dwell on roswell

2535
01:41:02,550 --> 01:40:59,679
just as though

2536
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:02,560
the same way we we dwell on old movies

2537
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,159
like the day the earth stood still it's

2538
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,560
one of my all-time favorites i watch it

2539
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,800
over and over never get tired of it and

2540
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:10,560
i think this is what it is this is why

2541
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,520
people are drawn back to roswell

2542
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:15,920
and some of the old classic

2543
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:18,560
stories especially roswell is a classic

2544
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,400
and people the the answers are have not

2545
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:24,960
been forthcoming the questions are still

2546
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,520
there it's never been answered of course

2547
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,760
you can order you i mean you can discuss

2548
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:31,679
this till the cows come home

2549
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,400
but i i just want to throw this out

2550
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:37,199
theoretically rhetorically speaking how

2551
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:38,400
many

2552
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,280
roswells have maybe happened since the

2553
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:43,119
roswell incident

2554
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,840
and

2555
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,679
the the military

2556
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,520
the authorities

2557
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:49,920
covered them up more effectively than

2558
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:52,560
the roswell incident the means available

2559
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:55,360
to them are far more sophisticated than

2560
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,040
they were in those days

2561
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,960
that's very true and that's just talking

2562
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,800
about the united states

2563
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,440
i would imagine a country like china

2564
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,840
which has much more control over its

2565
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,440
people it's

2566
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,840
it's broadcasting

2567
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:11,760
movement of people

2568
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:14,639
it's also a large land land mass and you

2569
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,480
know we know there's lots of ufo

2570
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:19,199
activity reported in brazil so what's

2571
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,239
being covered up in these places as well

2572
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:24,400
and with what you're saying there bob as

2573
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,520
well about

2574
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:27,760
not only could maybe the military be

2575
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:30,320
better at covering up things since

2576
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,520
roswell

2577
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,000
but who knows if maybe they are the ones

2578
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,000
that are kicking up the name roswell

2579
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:38,880
again for the old look over here and not

2580
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,679
over there kind of thing and it might be

2581
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,159
so so for instance when

2582
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,320
bill clinton said he was going to look

2583
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,880
into the roswell thing again and the the

2584
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:50,960
us air force did that

2585
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,760
who knows if there was a another you

2586
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,960
know it's a shell game there was

2587
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,800
something else more interesting going on

2588
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:58,159
they think all right we'll start

2589
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,920
publicizing that we're going to read

2590
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:02,159
looking we're going to look into roswell

2591
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:03,119
again

2592
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,000
and

2593
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:05,840
whether something happened there or not

2594
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,840
i suppose it could be a useful tool as a

2595
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,960
distraction um

2596
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,920
now

2597
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:13,280
what's the other

2598
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,520
that um

2599
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,000
that is next to roswell in terms of

2600
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,800
known uh well supposed american saucer

2601
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:24,800
crash landings

2602
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,480
that's on the tip of my tongue but i

2603
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:28,320
think gene knows probably she knows it

2604
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:29,520
for sure

2605
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:32,639
the other case is aztec new mexico

2606
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,600
but i don't think the evidence is

2607
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,199
near as much

2608
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:39,520
as you have for roswell so we really

2609
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:41,760
don't take it seriously here well my

2610
01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:44,320
point was anyway just what what

2611
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:47,440
if say for instance that it was a real

2612
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,639
case or something like that then um

2613
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,040
and roswell isn't a real case then i can

2614
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:55,440
imagine anyone who wanted to cover it up

2615
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:57,040
they would just

2616
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,400
keep feeding

2617
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,199
roswell themed stories or bits and

2618
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,679
pieces out into the media

2619
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:06,239
to keep to keep the public or the ufo

2620
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,840
public looking in that direction while

2621
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,400
maybe a real other event is going on

2622
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:14,880
kind of under our noses because suddenly

2623
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,280
we're looking over towards roswell

2624
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:19,440
metaphorically again

2625
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:22,239
i have to stir the pot again gentlemen

2626
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,040
uh

2627
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:25,440
you mentioned nevada and i i'm just

2628
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,159
picking on nevada because nevada is

2629
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,600
known to be one of the most notorious

2630
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:34,400
testing grounds in the united states

2631
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,440
parts of it are highly secret as we know

2632
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:40,159
and all of these things seem to happen

2633
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:43,600
in in new mexico or nevada you know

2634
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:46,639
these these way out back places

2635
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:49,440
i smell the military there somehow i

2636
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,760
smell something terrestrial

2637
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,520
and i am always

2638
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,840
i'm living in switzerland uh gogs here

2639
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:57,280
in scotland

2640
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,000
and you know we have a lot of wild

2641
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:02,639
country over here mountains

2642
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:06,480
i i walk the dog sometimes it's scary

2643
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:09,520
i have never been assailed by uh by an

2644
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:10,719
e.t

2645
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:13,280
i've never been kidnapped never had any

2646
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:14,800
encounter with them i've never seen

2647
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:17,679
anything i have to ask bob whether he

2648
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,560
lost

2649
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:20,719
some time sometime

2650
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,520
missing time we gotta do our break

2651
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:25,040
gogg's makai

2652
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:28,310
bob sanati you're in the podcast

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you travel out there in the wilderness

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and there's plenty of room for weird

2707
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:19,520
paranormal things to happen where you

2708
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are bob

2709
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:21,600
okay

2710
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,639
so in that case is it possible something

2711
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:26,960
did happen but it was a case of missing

2712
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,840
time

2713
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,520
that maybe you got home a half hour

2714
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,520
later than you thought you would

2715
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,679
well i'd love to say yes but i have to

2716
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:36,400
be truthful and say no

2717
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:38,719
if it happened to me i'm not aware of it

2718
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,679
um my my question is it's a it's an

2719
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:43,520
obvious rhetorical question that people

2720
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,480
living people interested in this field

2721
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:48,880
people interested in the paranormal i

2722
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,960
think they are you know here we are in

2723
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:53,600
switzerland goggs is in scotland which

2724
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,280
is you know there's a lot of wild

2725
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:57,199
country in scotland yet

2726
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,320
um

2727
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,679
and and yet

2728
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:01,119
all of this

2729
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,679
speculation this phenomenon seems

2730
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:05,600
concentrated in the united states of

2731
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:08,000
america i don't want to be offensive to

2732
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:12,560
americans but i just w it seems strange

2733
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:14,960
that all of this should be focused there

2734
01:49:19,590 --> 01:49:17,760
there are maybe rational explanations

2735
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:19,600
i'm willing to accept that flying

2736
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,480
saucers are extraterrestrial beings

2737
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,159
i'm willing to accept they come from

2738
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:26,000
another dimension i'm willing to accept

2739
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,760
they come from the center of the earth

2740
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,239
whatever theory you want to present i am

2741
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,560
completely open-minded i don't want

2742
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:35,119
anyone to get me wrong i am not a

2743
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:38,560
skeptic i i renounce the term skeptic i

2744
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:41,520
am not a skeptic but i first look for a

2745
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:43,440
rational explanation

2746
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:45,199
gene i have to

2747
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,840
jog your memory for a moment we had

2748
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,320
email correspondence two or three years

2749
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:53,440
ago i don't know if you sent it to me or

2750
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:55,520
i sent it to you

2751
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,400
one of us on the internet found

2752
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,639
a triangular

2753
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,320
aircraft

2754
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,320
it was a clipping it was a newspaper

2755
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,480
clipping from germany it was in german i

2756
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:07,760
could read it

2757
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:11,920
and it presented this new style

2758
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,280
aircraft it was from the 1940s

2759
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,000
and it looks just like these triangular

2760
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:20,159
craft that i reported today

2761
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,080
do you remember that gene

2762
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:24,400
as you're talking i'm searching my 200

2763
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:26,400
000 email messages

2764
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,080
to see now i'm told if it was 650 000

2765
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,639
then i couldn't do it in 10 seconds but

2766
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,719
since it's only 200 000

2767
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,360
that's back to a political thing there

2768
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,280
no you'll look at it right now and i'll

2769
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,520
see you say two or three years ago

2770
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,199
yeah about two or three years ago trust

2771
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:45,760
me because i i remember this very well

2772
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,920
it was a newspaper article from a german

2773
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,000
newspaper there were a couple of guys

2774
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,639
standing next to this aircraft and if my

2775
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,880
memory serves me translating from the

2776
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,400
german headline

2777
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,520
new uh aircraft unveiled

2778
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:02,159
and it was a triangular aircraft and

2779
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:04,560
this is what we're hearing a lot about

2780
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:07,520
and if the germans had it in the 40s

2781
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:10,320
maybe the americans have got it

2782
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,600
uh in the 2000s i mean why not

2783
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:15,760
this is entirely possible

2784
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:18,560
and uh goggs i think you you sort of

2785
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,199
touched on this tangentially

2786
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:23,280
tangentially

2787
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,119
okay it's like there's always a word by

2788
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:27,199
the way that people can't pronounce we

2789
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,320
all have that

2790
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:30,800
yeah there's one word like traditional

2791
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:32,719
yeah or the tradition

2792
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:36,870
a professional announcer i should know

2793
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,480
this tangentially okay and that is what

2794
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:42,880
i would uh i made a note here

2795
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,360
i would like to bring up a subject which

2796
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,599
fundanikin has brought up other people

2797
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:49,199
have brought it it's brought it up it's

2798
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,520
nothing new but i don't hear a lot of

2799
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,719
discussion

2800
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:55,679
this is not a criticism gene but i don't

2801
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:58,560
hear it on any of the mainstream

2802
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:01,199
uh north american

2803
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,760
paranormal programs and i don't listen

2804
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,080
to all of them but the phrase i'd like

2805
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:08,960
to throw in here for discussion is

2806
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:12,639
the vedic tradition of india

2807
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,159
now we've all heard sort of mentioned

2808
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:19,360
that flying saucers were mentioned in in

2809
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:22,239
ancient india but i happen to

2810
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:24,560
i'm interested in in vedic science which

2811
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,520
is the old science of india

2812
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:29,599
and i have some friends who are scholars

2813
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:30,800
at this

2814
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,000
and when you talk flying saucers to them

2815
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:36,880
they take it absolutely for granted they

2816
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,800
even have different names for these

2817
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:41,520
things for them it's always existed has

2818
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:44,719
always been there and when vandenkin

2819
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,360
calls his book chariots of the gods that

2820
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:49,679
was literally what it was and i think

2821
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:52,800
here to become somewhat risque

2822
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,560
i can link this

2823
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:56,800
i'm going to link this or just toss this

2824
01:53:03,030 --> 01:52:59,920
out for discussion that we may be

2825
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:03,040
talking about the the origins of

2826
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,239
religious concepts and the god concepts

2827
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,320
you know chariots of the gods a lot of

2828
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,719
people object to that but a lot of

2829
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:13,280
people object to mainstream religion

2830
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:14,560
today

2831
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,320
because they visualize this patriarchal

2832
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,880
figure the old man sitting in a golden

2833
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,320
throne

2834
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:24,960
and very very powerful and and not quite

2835
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:28,560
so nice and telling everybody what to do

2836
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:29,520
but

2837
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,239
what if god

2838
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:34,480
what a lot of people traditionally call

2839
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,440
god

2840
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,400
was simply entities from

2841
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,119
another planet or from outside the

2842
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,480
universe who came to create us

2843
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:46,639
when we talk about god we're

2844
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:49,520
how about if we're talking about those

2845
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,800
creatures that created us to me it makes

2846
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,800
it makes a lot of sense

2847
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,639
and it would it could revolutionize the

2848
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,560
whole concept of religion

2849
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,159
do you remember

2850
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:02,320
bob the movie stargate

2851
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,040
i i'm not a great movie fan i i must

2852
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:07,599
confess i i i heard of it but i don't

2853
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:08,719
remember it

2854
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,920
in ancient times ancient astronaut times

2855
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,320
they came these advanced beings through

2856
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:16,080
a stargate

2857
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:17,520
that's kind of a

2858
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:20,000
device that allows you to travel through

2859
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,440
a wormhole

2860
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,599
to another part of the galaxy or a

2861
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:25,679
different galaxy alright

2862
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,800
but

2863
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,199
the point being here is that it was

2864
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,679
really about ancient astronauts that

2865
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:33,360
came here

2866
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:35,520
and left this star

2867
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,000
and exerted control over us

2868
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:40,320
and pretended to be gods whether they

2869
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:42,800
pretended to create us or not i don't

2870
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:46,080
know but they had their own complex

2871
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:47,520
and they wanted to

2872
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:50,719
control lesser races so that was part of

2873
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:53,280
the original concept of stargate it's

2874
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:55,280
not unusual and certainly we know about

2875
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:58,320
eric von daniken we mentioned less i

2876
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:59,760
don't know if you've heard the episodes

2877
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,000
where i discussed it we mentioned les

2878
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:04,400
our old friend jonah fortner

2879
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:05,679
remember him

2880
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,119
i had him on my show yes you did did you

2881
01:55:13,149 --> 01:55:11,679
know when he wrote his piece

2882
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:13,159
a series on

2883
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:16,480
extraterrestrialism for saucer news

2884
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,480
about ancient astronauts

2885
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:20,639
evidently most of his sources were made

2886
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:22,960
up well you could do that in those days

2887
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:24,400
gene

2888
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:25,840
and this is where a lot of saucer

2889
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:27,599
stories come from

2890
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,520
well the thing is too that

2891
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,360
yona would pretend to speak in another

2892
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:33,360
language and i had no idea what he was

2893
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:34,320
saying

2894
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:35,760
because i didn't know the other language

2895
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,199
oh this is sanskrit okay fine you're now

2896
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:41,760
talking to me in sanskrit and this is

2897
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:44,080
something i think that jim mosley

2898
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:45,679
kind of knew

2899
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:47,360
but never really

2900
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:49,679
considered the possibility that yona

2901
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:51,280
would put on people

2902
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:55,360
and he was smart enough to simply

2903
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,560
fake it

2904
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,880
i think he was always faking it i always

2905
01:56:01,910 --> 01:56:00,480
had that impression

2906
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,920
for those who don't understand what

2907
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,840
we're talking about we're talking about

2908
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:05,920
my show back in new york in the 60s

2909
01:56:11,189 --> 01:56:08,719
coffee clutch and you were a regular uh

2910
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,199
guest on that show and we had i mean we

2911
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,480
had jim mosley on practically every show

2912
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,480
all their so-called regulars you were a

2913
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:18,880
regular on there and yona was on the

2914
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:21,280
show a couple of times and i always had

2915
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,669
oh yes not that he wasn't smart he was

2916
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:31,440
very very smart

2917
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,880
well give us some more background

2918
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:35,040
because i i don't really know this guy

2919
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,440
so you know where is he from what what

2920
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:39,520
did he do with himself in this you know

2921
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:41,920
in the field of paranormal or just radio

2922
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,320
what tell us a bit more about him well

2923
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:46,080
before we do that i have to do a break

2924
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,000
in a moment before we go into jonah

2925
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,320
fortner except briefly

2926
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:52,239
he was a guy from new york

2927
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:55,920
supposedly an ordained rabbi so he said

2928
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:56,960
who

2929
01:57:01,910 --> 01:57:00,080
contracted polio when he was very young

2930
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:01,920
and therefore was wheelchair-bound

2931
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:04,080
although he could get by

2932
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:07,520
as they said with crutches

2933
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:09,280
and he was very he was

2934
01:57:14,070 --> 01:57:11,840
very very overweight also

2935
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:14,080
i never did much of anything about that

2936
01:57:18,709 --> 01:57:16,320
he was fun to talk to

2937
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,719
he was a cool guy he got involved in the

2938
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:21,119
ufo field he was a friend of

2939
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:24,960
mine jim mosley john jay robinson

2940
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:27,040
he was a wacky character we'll talk more

2941
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:29,679
about jonah fortner

2942
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:31,040
and more

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with gene steinberg bob zenati

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we have bob cenati gene steinberg goggs

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makai

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02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:17,199
and we're talking about a little of

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everything we start with debbie harry

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02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:22,960
went to disclosure we were talking about

3053
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:24,800
ancient astronauts and about a very

3054
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:26,560
eccentric character from new york name

3055
02:02:30,629 --> 02:02:29,119
of yonah fortner now just to tell you

3056
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:30,639
this before we go on bob and you can

3057
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:33,280
tell the rest some time before he died

3058
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:35,280
year or two before he died

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02:02:38,709 --> 02:02:36,560
i had to talk with him on the phone he

3060
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:38,719
was living in l.a then how he got there

3061
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:40,960
i have no idea he claimed to be working

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02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:42,880
with major motion picture companies to

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02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:45,599
be a friend of george lucas

3064
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,000
and that the character of yoda was based

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02:02:52,149 --> 02:02:50,239
in part on yonah

3066
02:02:53,830 --> 02:02:52,159
but when you look at yono you'd think

3067
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maybe jabba the hutt

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02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:55,920
well i i can't speak to that gene

3069
02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:57,119
because

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02:03:02,870 --> 02:02:59,440
my knowledge and memory of yonah goes

3071
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,880
back to the 60s so what his uh

3072
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:04,639
where his path took him after that i

3073
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:06,560
don't know but you know

3074
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:07,920
something did

3075
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:10,080
come to mind when you were talking about

3076
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:12,560
motion pictures and flying saucers and

3077
02:03:15,910 --> 02:03:14,320
everything else i mean it's possible you

3078
02:03:16,870 --> 02:03:15,920
know maybe they met up at a cocktail

3079
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,880
party

3080
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:19,040
uh that's the way the business works you

3081
02:03:23,109 --> 02:03:20,480
know that you know the business you pick

3082
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:23,119
up ideas from all kinds of likely and

3083
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:24,880
unlikely places

3084
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:27,360
but um do you remember the reverend

3085
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:30,080
frank e strange's

3086
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:32,320
he left this life

3087
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,440
uh some years ago but uh i featured him

3088
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:37,440
on my show on the coffee clutch and he

3089
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,080
was friends with another uh mutual

3090
02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:42,400
friend of ours jean

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02:03:47,669 --> 02:03:44,880
augie roberts august c roberts the

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02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:47,679
famous ufo photographer

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02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,760
and he was a regular on the coffee

3094
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:51,599
clutch show in fact he was my production

3095
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:53,760
coordinator and we had regular

3096
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:57,040
correspondence with dr frankie strange's

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02:04:00,709 --> 02:03:59,679
and do you remember uh back in the 60s

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now

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02:04:03,910 --> 02:04:02,560
that strange's

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um

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02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:05,679
was apparently

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02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:08,960
engaged by a film company

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02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:13,360
in in hollywood to produce a a film

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02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:16,400
called and i remember the name of it the

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02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,800
the earth could die tomorrow or the

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02:04:22,390 --> 02:04:20,719
earth will die tomorrow do you remember

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02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:22,400
that story

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02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:25,360
i do not know apparently something came

3109
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:28,800
out of it and i'm i i wish i could tell

3110
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:31,440
you what what materialized from it there

3111
02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:33,040
was some kind of

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02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:35,040
a series that came out

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02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:36,000
um

3114
02:04:42,070 --> 02:04:39,199
but i in fact i think i saw one episode

3115
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:42,080
i'm going back you know like 50 years

3116
02:04:47,270 --> 02:04:45,360
so i can't really say anymore but um i

3117
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:47,280
mean obviously hollywood has always been

3118
02:04:51,189 --> 02:04:49,520
very big on picking up on flying saucers

3119
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:51,199
there's no question about it

3120
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:53,920
uh but as far as yonah is concerned you

3121
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,679
know it's funny we've had this

3122
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:57,440
discussion before you call him yonah

3123
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:58,480
forkner

3124
02:05:04,629 --> 02:05:01,199
um but i remember him as yonah

3125
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:04,639
ibanaharan yes yeah that was his hebrew

3126
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:07,840
name apparently and as far as him being

3127
02:05:14,229 --> 02:05:10,880
a an ordained rabbi is concerned i never

3128
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,239
could prove it i mean um i knew he was a

3129
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:17,040
hebrew scholar and he was a linguist he

3130
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:19,599
he spoke hebrew he spoke spoke various

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02:05:24,070 --> 02:05:20,800
languages

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02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:24,080
um and but it was jack robinson john jay

3133
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,199
robinson

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02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:27,920
who once in one of my shows described

3135
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:30,080
him as rabbi

3136
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:32,080
yonah ibn abharan

3137
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:35,040
and so did long john nebel in fact yonah

3138
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:36,960
used to be on the old long john show he

3139
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:38,560
i think he was a regular there for a

3140
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,679
long time

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02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,520
and he was very frustrating for an

3142
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:42,880
interviewer

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02:05:46,830 --> 02:05:44,239
because

3144
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:46,840
he spoke very

3145
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:50,880
slowly and it was almost as though he

3146
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:52,880
was having fun

3147
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:53,920
with

3148
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:56,480
the host of the program

3149
02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:58,239
there's nothing worse for a host of a

3150
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:01,119
talk show than a slow talker

3151
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:04,320
yes very slow but if you listen to long

3152
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,520
john neville

3153
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,599
he was slow talker too

3154
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:10,000
he'd have very long pauses between every

3155
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:11,199
sentence

3156
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,159
we had an excerpt of long john's

3157
02:06:18,070 --> 02:06:16,320
and i listened to it and i didn't even

3158
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:18,080
notice that at the time now of course i

3159
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:19,679
know this technique

3160
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:22,159
and he would say something and he would

3161
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,760
tell you a story that i could tell you

3162
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:25,679
in about two minutes but he'd take 20

3163
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,560
minutes

3164
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:28,560
to tell you that story well that's the

3165
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,119
midwestern storyteller uh gene that's a

3166
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:33,920
lost art the other one who used to be uh

3167
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:35,920
speaking of gene but he spelled his name

3168
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,760
differently the french way

3169
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:39,119
gene shepherd

3170
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:41,360
uh the rocco

3171
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:44,480
and uh rapporteur and he he would uh he

3172
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,360
used to be on wor the big talk station

3173
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,760
just before long long john

3174
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,159
and uh i learned a lot from gene i i met

3175
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:55,440
gene i i met long john and uh i used to

3176
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,639
spend some time at wor on 1440 broadway

3177
02:07:03,270 --> 02:07:00,480
they moved downtown now

3178
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:03,280
uh several years ago but um

3179
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:05,280
that was that was the art and you know

3180
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,040
it's funny you bring this up about

3181
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,280
speaking slowly

3182
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,280
um

3183
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:13,840
that used to be the classic art of

3184
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:15,280
announcing

3185
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,400
uh

3186
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:19,040
very very apropos watching the

3187
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:22,719
presidential election returns on cnn

3188
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:25,040
they exhaust me listening these people

3189
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:28,239
must be on pep pills on caffeine and

3190
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,560
they're absolutely they're they machine

3191
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:33,119
gun delivery i'm a native speaker of

3192
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:35,440
english but i had difficulty following

3193
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:38,480
them sometimes they're so hyped up and

3194
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:41,119
when you listen to uh recordings of long

3195
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:42,159
john

3196
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:45,520
or gene shepard telling a story that was

3197
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,920
the art to stretch it out because people

3198
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,159
didn't have all the the entertainment

3199
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:52,400
that we had that was that was early

3200
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:55,360
entertainment that was pre-tv and radio

3201
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:57,760
entertainment to tell a story

3202
02:08:02,470 --> 02:07:59,920
and um that that's the tradition of

3203
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:02,480
radio that i grew up in and and and

3204
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:05,199
developed uh these people today in

3205
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:08,159
modern broadcasting make me nervous well

3206
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:09,760
you know what they're taking

3207
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:11,440
the disc jockey technique you know the

3208
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,920
radio disc jockeys would be very fast

3209
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,679
they would be motor mouths they know

3210
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:17,599
that the bridge to the song they're

3211
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:20,480
playing has 22 seconds

3212
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:22,960
and they try to get as much as they can

3213
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,599
in that 22 seconds

3214
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:27,199
they don't know about just taking a

3215
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:28,320
pause

3216
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:29,679
relaxing

3217
02:08:34,310 --> 02:08:31,440
slowing down

3218
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,320
and just telling a story

3219
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,639
i kind of work in the middle now

3220
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:39,280
i pause but i end up if i have to cut a

3221
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,119
few seconds out of the episode when i'm

3222
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,199
editing it i get rid of some of the

3223
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:45,599
pauses so two seconds becomes one second

3224
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:47,119
most people don't notice

3225
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:48,000
that's

3226
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,880
of the trade

3227
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,280
there's a french expression the music is

3228
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,280
in the silence

3229
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,560
very profound actually it's quite true

3230
02:09:02,550 --> 02:09:00,000
um

3231
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,560
we're we're so hyped up today in today's

3232
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,480
world that we we've got to have the vu

3233
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:06,960
meter constantly at 100

3234
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:08,639
at zero vu

3235
02:09:13,189 --> 02:09:10,880
and anybody uh you know

3236
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:13,199
do you know i guess you do because you

3237
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,000
you work with network radio gene you

3238
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:18,800
have to be aware of this that most radio

3239
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:21,440
stations today and networks have an

3240
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:22,800
alarm

3241
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,520
if there is they can adjust it if

3242
02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:27,920
there's more than 5 seconds or 10

3243
02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:31,440
seconds of silence an alarm goes off

3244
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:34,000
it's it's part of the insane world we're

3245
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:35,679
in today everything has got to be

3246
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:37,840
modulation and noise and people's heads

3247
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:40,079
are full of noise but all great

3248
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:42,480
creativity all great

3249
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,360
things that happen in this world

3250
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,199
is when

3251
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:49,599
we give people silence as the french say

3252
02:09:53,830 --> 02:09:52,239
the music is in the silence uh we once

3253
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:53,840
at swiss radio international where i

3254
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:55,760
worked for 32 years that was you know

3255
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:58,400
the paid paid the bills here i was an

3256
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,639
international broadcaster on shortwave

3257
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:02,960
and we interviewed a guy once

3258
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:05,599
and um he was he was a

3259
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:09,360
a cyber cyber um technician or or

3260
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:11,679
researcher or something cybernetics

3261
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:13,760
and he said you know

3262
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:16,320
the human brain

3263
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,040
is the greatest computer that has ever

3264
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,280
been developed there's another computer

3265
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:23,199
it's taking over right now but it's

3266
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:25,599
going to develop commercials for us

3267
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:28,639
yeah bob zenati gene steinberg makai

3268
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:39,350
[Applause]

3269
02:10:44,109 --> 02:10:42,880
thank you for listening to gcn

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02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:44,119
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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

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so people want to know why sometimes we

3376
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have to cut a conversation

3377
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the way the gcn network system works is

3378
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everything is computerized you're given

3379
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a little bit of a

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as they call it a clock or a schedule

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and the clock says for example that you

3382
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have a tenth of a second margin

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for every segment of the show

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so

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we're recording this when i send the

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show to the network i have to clean it

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up i take out a few seconds i

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am happy to have like 5-10 seconds more

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because that gives me a little more

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elbow room so i may eliminate a stumble

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or somebody's cough or something like

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that and i kind of cut bob short on a

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story just before he hit the punch line

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and i think you should just finish it up

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before we move on

3396
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okay the punch line is very simple and

3397
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it's just a very it's one sentence

3398
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the human brain

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is the greatest computer that was ever

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designed

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the only trouble with it is it runs on

3402
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in other words

3403
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this is part of communication dynamics i

3404
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:01,760
mean

3405
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you know this you're an old pro

3406
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:06,800
gene and so am i we're a couple of old

3407
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pros from the old school

3408
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and um

3409
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when you're trying to tell a story

3410
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:13,520
especially for example in another

3411
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:16,639
language or under difficult conditions

3412
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:19,920
those long pregnant pauses as gene

3413
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:22,800
shepard used to say are very significant

3414
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:25,040
and you talked about long john nebel

3415
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with his long pauses he was very glib

3416
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actually

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but his timing was perfect

3418
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:33,120
gene shepard was exactly the same

3419
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when you have silence people's hearing

3420
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is enhanced

3421
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and they're waiting with baited not

3422
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breath but baited ears

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waiting for the next thing and they're

3424
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,399
more receptive to the message and this

3425
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:48,719
is where everything has gone completely

3426
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:51,439
off the rails today in my opinion in

3427
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:54,639
mass communication it's all too fast

3428
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:56,639
people are not really communicators

3429
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,000
anymore they're nothing but as you say

3430
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disc jockeys uh

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there there is a commercial on the

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network that carries you

3433
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and i don't know how it's even

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allowed

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it is so hacked it's it's time it's time

3436
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chopped it's shortened by electronically

3437
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i am a native speaker

3438
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a professional user of the english

3439
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language i cannot unders it's a caveat

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for a legal company i cannot understand

3441
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a word that the guy is talking about and

3442
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yet

3443
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i presume there are people who can but i

3444
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i give up i i just i shake my head every

3445
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:37,519
time i hear it well here's part of the

3446
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problem legally they have to include

3447
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those disclaimers

3448
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and the only way to get all those

3449
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disclaimers in is to speak very fast

3450
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now it's true also when you hear these

3451
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offers in the u.s for

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a car dealer you know get a brand new

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honda or a volkswagen for 199 a month

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and in the fine print well 4 230 down

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and you're limited to 10 000 miles a

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year because it's a lease otherwise you

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have to pay a

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over mileage fee or something like that

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and they've got somebody there who's a

3460
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,800
real motor mouth and he repeats

3461
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something that would take you and i 30

3462
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:16,240
seconds to say in about 10 seconds

3463
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:17,679
but they have to do that because

3464
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technically they have to explain

3465
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the conditions of an offer

3466
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what is the point gene if nobody can

3467
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understand what they're saying well

3468
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that's not the point they want to get

3469
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the message in and

3470
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it's irrelevant because that's the way

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you kind of skirt the system so for

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example

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they have

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advertising for medications in the us

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and you hear about all these wonderful

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things and you see somebody happy go

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lucky because the problem they were

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suffering from has been controlled and

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then you hear

3480
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the contraindications as they say

3481
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in the medical field and those

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contraindications say may cause death

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may cause tumors may cause you to i

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there you go let's just talk about our

3485
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little corner of the world here in the

3486
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weird wild people so jonah fortner was a

3487
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genuine character

3488
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:12,000
and we all liked him but of course you

3489
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couldn't believe what he said another

3490
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:15,359
interesting character was john j

3491
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robinson and i know our listeners heard

3492
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:20,639
the playback of him a discussion from

3493
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:23,280
the 60s on bobsonati's coffee clutch

3494
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:24,080
show

3495
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:25,679
where he talked about the steve brody

3496
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story

3497
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,880
this artist he knew

3498
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back in the 1940s

3499
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who may have been kidnapped by richard

3500
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shaver's dero

3501
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what was your take on john robertson

3502
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:39,280
you're talking to me gene

3503
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,399
you talking to me

3504
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:44,719
okay i guess you're asking me i like

3505
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,000
john or jack he was always jack for for

3506
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:50,720
us who knew him he was a very sincere

3507
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,040
man he was very humble

3508
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,600
he lived in a very modest apartment with

3509
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,520
his wife mary

3510
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,920
whom we mentioned we mentioned both of

3511
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:01,359
them at the beginning of the show about

3512
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:02,960
the ouija board

3513
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:07,120
he was devoted i he was a classic

3514
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:10,160
i can imagine this is my take on him he

3515
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:14,560
was a classic 1930s 1940s

3516
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:17,760
devotee of the occult and offbeat when

3517
02:20:22,950 --> 02:20:20,479
it was really fashionable you know today

3518
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:22,960
everything is so scientized that's the

3519
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:24,319
word i use

3520
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,560
that it's no fun anymore you know

3521
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,479
there's no imagination

3522
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,319
uh when we were when i go back to the

3523
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:33,040
old coffee clutch shows back in the 60s

3524
02:20:38,389 --> 02:20:35,920
and you remember those days you know you

3525
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,399
didn't have people being challenged the

3526
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:40,720
way they are today there's so much

3527
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,000
aggression today in those days people

3528
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:46,319
could speak their mind they could come

3529
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,439
up with any kind of crazy idea

3530
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:51,200
and that's not my personal value

3531
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:53,359
judgment but um

3532
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:55,760
any kind of way out theory any kind of

3533
02:21:01,270 --> 02:20:58,800
wacko idea and the people around the

3534
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,280
table there were circles who met and you

3535
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:03,600
know you were part of it gene i don't

3536
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:06,000
need to tell you but we're talking to a

3537
02:21:09,910 --> 02:21:07,760
an audience which

3538
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:09,920
doesn't remember those days or how it

3539
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:12,399
was and people they would sit you'd have

3540
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:14,240
a scotch you'd have a glass of wine

3541
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:16,240
you'd have you know you'd have a drink

3542
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,600
and uh you would just sit around in a in

3543
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:21,600
a circle and talk about all of these

3544
02:21:26,950 --> 02:21:24,479
things and everybody spoke

3545
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:26,960
and everybody had a different idea just

3546
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,800
what we're doing right now

3547
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:30,720
um the flavor

3548
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:33,200
you've preserved and that's you know i i

3549
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:35,680
go back to the 60s but you've been able

3550
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:38,479
to preserve the flavor of those days

3551
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:40,960
open discussion where people are not

3552
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:42,800
ridiculed

3553
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:44,880
where people are not attacked and

3554
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,439
criticized where people are allowed to

3555
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:49,040
have a point of view i know you

3556
02:21:51,910 --> 02:21:50,640
challenge people which i think is a

3557
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:51,920
great idea

3558
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,680
it's not a good idea to just hold a

3559
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:55,439
microphone in front of somebody's face

3560
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,000
and let them spout out anything without

3561
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,479
being challenged or as we used to say in

3562
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,479
broadcast journalism without earning

3563
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:03,920
their point of view

3564
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:04,640
but

3565
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:06,640
those days and you know exactly what i

3566
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:07,439
mean

3567
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:09,600
people were more gentlemanly and

3568
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:11,760
ladylike and

3569
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:14,720
people were not ridiculed for having way

3570
02:22:19,429 --> 02:22:17,359
out ideas today i think

3571
02:22:21,710 --> 02:22:19,439
and i use the term pejoratively and

3572
02:22:23,510 --> 02:22:21,720
deliberately and advisedly

3573
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:23,520
pseudoscience

3574
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,200
all the people running around in white

3575
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,760
coats has given everybody an impression

3576
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:30,399
that um science is the new religion you

3577
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,840
know i mean they've they've killed all

3578
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,920
the god has been killed off now i mean

3579
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:35,280
it's

3580
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:38,319
the true religion

3581
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:40,160
and um

3582
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:42,800
it's just another form of belief

3583
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:45,280
and uh if if you can't convince them if

3584
02:22:50,309 --> 02:22:47,280
they can't smell it or touch it or feel

3585
02:22:52,389 --> 02:22:50,319
it or see it it doesn't exist and they

3586
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:52,399
throw it out and say it's all rubbish

3587
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:54,880
but i remember those days in the 60s the

3588
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:57,920
30s or the the 40s i wasn't there but

3589
02:23:02,150 --> 02:23:00,560
that era when all of this was this was a

3590
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:02,160
high time

3591
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:05,200
the golden age of the paranormal and

3592
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,640
jack

3593
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:08,399
epitomized that

3594
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:11,600
he was the the poster boy for that era

3595
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:14,080
and he could talk about anything he

3596
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,800
could talk about flying saucers he would

3597
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:18,800
talk about the darrow's

3598
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:21,359
he was he was a yogi he practiced was a

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practitioner of yoga he was a hypnotist

3600
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:27,439
he devoted himself to all kinds of the

3601
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:30,080
offbeat and he was one of these guys and

3602
02:23:34,469 --> 02:23:33,040
we had a few of them around uh jonah we

3603
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:34,479
always had the impression he was one

3604
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:36,319
whether he was putting us on or not with

3605
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:38,560
his offer or with his with his answers i

3606
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,640
don't know but jack was one of these

3607
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:41,600
guys

3608
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:43,439
who you could ask a question

3609
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:45,680
and he could answer almost anything in

3610
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:48,880
the occult or paranormal field and he

3611
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,319
had high credibility i had great respect

3612
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:54,800
for john jack robinson and it was a

3613
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terrible loss unfortunately he died too

3614
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early he was a heavy smoker and died of

3615
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:01,680
lung cancer but i remember some of the

3616
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shows i sent you all the old coffee

3617
02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:05,760
clutch shows that i still have

3618
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and he features prominently on there you

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know what we'll have to do here we

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should bring out some more of john jay

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robinson so you could hear this person

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he was just a fascinating fascinating

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character

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and he was a great loss of course he

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would have been 200 years old now but

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you know it would have been nice to have

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him around we're talking with bob zanati

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in to the paracast let me tell you what

3730
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you're going to hear stuff here that you

3731
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

3732
02:29:07,910 --> 02:29:04,560
that george snorri

3733
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we continue with bob cenati who years

3734
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:09,680
and years ago before most of you were

3735
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:10,560
born

3736
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:12,399
was host of a radio show called coffee

3737
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:14,720
clutch on which i was uh one of the

3738
02:29:19,190 --> 02:29:17,680
regular guests we have gogs makai

3739
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:19,200
and when we talk about

3740
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:21,760
john j robinson in the real world he was

3741
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:24,000
a banker you know not a high

3742
02:29:28,070 --> 02:29:25,760
muckety-muck at a bank just like a

3743
02:29:30,070 --> 02:29:28,080
normal a normal kind of guy who worked

3744
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:30,080
at a bank in new york city

3745
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:31,920
but when he got home

3746
02:29:36,150 --> 02:29:33,840
he became a totally different person i

3747
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,160
spent a lot of time at his home stayed

3748
02:29:38,870 --> 02:29:37,680
the night a couple of times when he got

3749
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:38,880
real late

3750
02:29:43,270 --> 02:29:41,680
and he was just a joy to deal with

3751
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:43,280
a lot of fun sometimes i ticked him off

3752
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:45,359
a little bit i had kind of a crazy

3753
02:29:49,910 --> 02:29:47,840
wacky sense of humor in those days and

3754
02:29:52,230 --> 02:29:49,920
he didn't appreciate it but it was fun

3755
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:52,240
to talk to and he was typical of a lot

3756
02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:54,000
of people though at that time who just

3757
02:30:00,550 --> 02:29:55,120
smoked

3758
02:30:01,510 --> 02:30:00,560
want to quickly say something that i

3759
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,520
know

3760
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,439
many other paracast listeners are

3761
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:05,359
probably just thinking now

3762
02:30:09,270 --> 02:30:06,800
like i was

3763
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,280
i'd love to hear some of those shows

3764
02:30:13,590 --> 02:30:12,080
with the young bob jean and all these

3765
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:13,600
other characters

3766
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:16,240
is there any way to make that happen bob

3767
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:19,040
we've already done it right bob well we

3768
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:21,520
did uh several years ago just a matter

3769
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:23,520
of months uh before

3770
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:26,160
the unfortunate demise of our old and

3771
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:29,760
dear friend and regular coffee clutch um

3772
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:32,399
participant uh jim mosley the legendary

3773
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:33,760
gym mostly

3774
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:36,720
i spent literally days going through

3775
02:30:40,870 --> 02:30:40,080
hour after hour after hour of tapes just

3776
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:40,880
to

3777
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:43,200
pull out some excerpts of this it was

3778
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:46,479
done i mean gene we kicked around or i i

3779
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:48,880
sent you an email a while back saying

3780
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:50,640
you know we should bring out that

3781
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:52,960
program as a memorial on maybe as an

3782
02:30:58,710 --> 02:30:56,080
anniversary memorial on the the death of

3783
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,720
jim mosley i think there's you know the

3784
02:31:02,790 --> 02:31:01,120
audience rotates and maybe there are new

3785
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:02,800
people would like to hear it for the

3786
02:31:07,750 --> 02:31:05,280
first time or maybe hear it again as far

3787
02:31:09,590 --> 02:31:07,760
as the rest of it is concerned all all

3788
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:09,600
of these surviving

3789
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:12,000
at least off-beat coffee clutch shows

3790
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:15,359
have been digitized i did that

3791
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:18,640
from from open real tape i uh processed

3792
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:19,680
them i

3793
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:22,399
did audio processing on them to improve

3794
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:24,319
the quality as best as possible because

3795
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:25,680
we're working under very difficult

3796
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,359
conditions sometimes

3797
02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:29,359
and i sent you a whole collection of

3798
02:31:34,309 --> 02:31:31,120
that gene so

3799
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:34,319
the ball is in jeans court uh maybe we

3800
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:36,960
could open a website uh to make uh those

3801
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:38,960
programs available but

3802
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:41,280
we have a place right now it's called

3803
02:31:44,790 --> 02:31:43,040
the power cast plus

3804
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,800
and what we'll do is we'll set up a

3805
02:31:47,990 --> 02:31:46,720
special section for coffee cloth shows

3806
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:48,000
and i'll go through the recordings you

3807
02:31:53,349 --> 02:31:51,520
sent me i know you sent me a cd one time

3808
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:53,359
with a lot of stuff on i have to dig it

3809
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:55,520
out i just noticed it the other day and

3810
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:57,120
there are things that you emailed to me

3811
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:59,200
a whole bunch of files and we'll look at

3812
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:01,520
them and put a few together i would like

3813
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:03,920
to see it say because jane you were

3814
02:32:08,309 --> 02:32:05,920
there you were part of it

3815
02:32:11,270 --> 02:32:08,319
and i hate to see myself

3816
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:11,280
it almost sounds like self-glorification

3817
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:14,160
but i i thank you for the point cogs uh

3818
02:32:19,510 --> 02:32:16,960
we had a wonderful time in those days

3819
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:19,520
just you know this uh description i gave

3820
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:22,319
a few moments ago the excitement of the

3821
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:23,280
time

3822
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:26,080
when people were ladies and gentlemen we

3823
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:28,479
listened to each other we speculated we

3824
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:30,960
talked without ridiculing people

3825
02:32:35,750 --> 02:32:33,840
there's so much anger today and in those

3826
02:32:37,750 --> 02:32:35,760
days when i was doing the coffee clutch

3827
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:37,760
shows and gene was there with me at the

3828
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:41,120
table many many times we really got into

3829
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:43,439
this stuff and speculated and no one

3830
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:45,600
considered anyone foolish

3831
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:47,840
no one ridiculed the other and we got

3832
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:50,319
into some wild stuff i mean we heard

3833
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:52,800
stories about jim mosley's treasure

3834
02:32:56,870 --> 02:32:54,479
hunting in peru

3835
02:32:59,429 --> 02:32:56,880
we heard the the ouija board program i

3836
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,439
described at the beginning of the show

3837
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:01,600
it's all there it's all live we talked

3838
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:03,760
with the reverend bill dot the

3839
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:06,720
spiritualist minister about spiritualism

3840
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:09,040
i mean and on and on we have so much

3841
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:11,359
sausage stuff there we have so much

3842
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:14,160
occult stuff we have so much paranormal

3843
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:16,720
stuff just hit me recently that we're

3844
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:19,600
talking about a sound document that

3845
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:21,359
really should be preserved and made

3846
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:24,319
available to people today to hear how it

3847
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:27,200
was in the heyday and thank you

3848
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:29,840
gene for the idea as i said i'll start

3849
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:31,200
looking at the next couple of weeks

3850
02:33:35,429 --> 02:33:33,040
right now i have a bunch of files

3851
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:35,439
i have to put up in the power cast plus

3852
02:33:38,630 --> 02:33:36,560
but we don't want to just put out

3853
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:38,640
everything at once we're going to spread

3854
02:33:43,510 --> 02:33:40,880
them out over time and once they're out

3855
02:33:46,309 --> 02:33:43,520
there predictably the files from paul

3856
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:46,319
kimball his videos and other episodes of

3857
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:49,040
the other side of truth once that's done

3858
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:50,960
i will starting to look at some of these

3859
02:33:55,110 --> 02:33:52,960
coffee clutch files and let's see what

3860
02:33:57,670 --> 02:33:55,120
we come up with let's see what episodes

3861
02:33:59,830 --> 02:33:57,680
we can present the one thing that you

3862
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:59,840
and i gene have to uh

3863
02:34:05,910 --> 02:34:02,000
we have to bite the bullet here because

3864
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:05,920
we have to recall this is the caveat

3865
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:08,479
we have to remember that you and i

3866
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:10,560
were in our teens and twenties at the

3867
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:12,720
time when i started coffee clutch i

3868
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:15,600
think i was 17 or 18 years old when i

3869
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:18,800
landed that that show i was barely 20

3870
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:20,160
and i think you were

3871
02:34:25,190 --> 02:34:22,880
about the same age you have to be gentle

3872
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,200
with us when you listen to it a very

3873
02:34:31,190 --> 02:34:28,080
young jean steinberg and bob zanati in

3874
02:34:33,750 --> 02:34:31,200
the early days of their radio careers so

3875
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:33,760
be be gentle and be kind when you listen

3876
02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:36,399
this is before i went to radio school

3877
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:38,560
it's it's all going to be love for me

3878
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:40,000
that's for sure

3879
02:34:43,670 --> 02:34:42,000
well you're very kind gogs and you know

3880
02:34:45,910 --> 02:34:43,680
i'm glad we could we could talk about

3881
02:34:46,870 --> 02:34:45,920
this here we're hatching a scheme right

3882
02:34:49,349 --> 02:34:46,880
here

3883
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:49,359
on the paracast well talking as a

3884
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:51,760
listener you know that just you know my

3885
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:53,439
ears have pricked up and

3886
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:55,840
all these characters interest me and you

3887
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:57,920
know i already was quite a fan of jim

3888
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:00,000
mosley and i used to love his

3889
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:02,720
appearances on the paracast and just to

3890
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:05,359
me that that just sounds like an ideal

3891
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:08,240
circumstance and back in a simpler day

3892
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:09,439
and radio

3893
02:35:13,910 --> 02:35:11,520
sitting around uh talking about all

3894
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:13,920
these things without the the internet

3895
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:15,840
trolls to jump down your throat and

3896
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:18,800
stuff even if it is a bit sketchy or

3897
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:21,600
unpolished compared to what you guys

3898
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:22,960
would maybe do

3899
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:25,439
as professional radio people these days

3900
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:27,600
i know for a fact loads of power cast

3901
02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:29,200
listeners would love to hear all this

3902
02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:31,439
stuff i guarantee it well that's going

3903
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:33,280
to be what's happening and it might

3904
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:34,560
sound like we're being crass and

3905
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:36,319
commercial but you know that's how it

3906
02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:38,640
works you know who else is on those uh

3907
02:35:44,469 --> 02:35:41,359
one of those shows uh gene our good

3908
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:44,479
friend um tim tim beckley oh well tim

3909
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:47,040
beckley always sounds the same oh yeah i

3910
02:35:51,270 --> 02:35:49,280
remember he was on one of the the

3911
02:35:53,910 --> 02:35:51,280
marathon shows we did i think it was the

3912
02:35:56,309 --> 02:35:53,920
last show we actually did we i think we

3913
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:56,319
recorded that over at jack's house

3914
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,720
and tim beckley turned up the guy who

3915
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:01,040
was doing uh who wanted to propose that

3916
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,600
the un investigate ufos

3917
02:36:08,230 --> 02:36:05,200
von kavitsky

3918
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:08,240
coleman von von kavinsky remember him

3919
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:09,359
indeed

3920
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:12,240
and then yeah he appeared once but

3921
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:15,439
mainly it was uh gene steinberg and uh

3922
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:18,080
auggie roberts and we had dom lu chessy

3923
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:20,240
on there who was another character he

3924
02:36:25,830 --> 02:36:23,120
was in sort of the same league as jonah

3925
02:36:28,469 --> 02:36:25,840
they were related and

3926
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,479
in terms of their ability to tell

3927
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:31,120
spin yarns and so on

3928
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:33,760
uh in fact jim mosley in that in that

3929
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:35,600
show we did several years ago just

3930
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:37,200
before jim died

3931
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:40,000
which he appreciated very much he told

3932
02:36:44,150 --> 02:36:42,000
me afterwards how happy he was with that

3933
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:44,160
show it was very very good timing it

3934
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,560
took a lot of work to put that together

3935
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:48,399
there's so much there

3936
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:52,960
and goggs frames it very very eloquently

3937
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,439
it's an opportunity for people to go

3938
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:57,200
into a time machine

3939
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:58,800
in this whole field

3940
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,200
and find out what life was like back in

3941
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:03,280
the 60s when we were talking about this

3942
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:06,000
stuff before it became fashionable the

3943
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:07,520
show we're talking about is called

3944
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:09,439
voices of the past with jim mosley and

3945
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:12,319
bob zenati from may 13 2012. it's in the

3946
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:14,000
power cast archives

3947
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:16,479
and we feature august c roberts dominic

3948
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:19,920
lucesi john jay robinson jonah fortner

3949
02:37:25,990 --> 02:37:23,600
and alexander mcneil and andy sinatra

3950
02:37:27,670 --> 02:37:26,000
the mystic barber a couple of really

3951
02:37:30,070 --> 02:37:27,680
wacky characters

3952
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:30,080
we had them all on the show

3953
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:32,720
i look back to those days

3954
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:35,600
very favorably and uh with great longing

3955
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:37,680
those were tremendous days

3956
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:40,560
not only for me in my early uh you know

3957
02:37:46,790 --> 02:37:43,920
beginnings as a broadcaster but also the

3958
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:46,800
people the the excitement the fun we

3959
02:37:49,830 --> 02:37:48,560
just don't have the excitement today we

3960
02:37:51,990 --> 02:37:49,840
had back then

3961
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:52,000
if you want to find us

3962
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:53,600
on twitter look for

3963
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:56,479
the powercast look for the powercast on

3964
02:38:00,230 --> 02:37:58,640
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3965
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:00,240
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3966
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:02,720
get some of those coffee clat shows put

3967
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:04,880
up in the very near future we also have

3968
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:06,640
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3969
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:08,800
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3970
02:38:13,750 --> 02:38:11,760
we also have a lot of other really good

3971
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:13,760
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3972
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:14,960
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3973
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:18,160
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3974
02:38:23,510 --> 02:38:21,280
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3975
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:23,520
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3976
02:38:25,950 --> 02:38:25,040
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3977
02:38:34,230 --> 02:38:25,960
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3978
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:34,240
goggs makai thank you both for joining

3979
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:36,399
us this week on the powercast

3980
02:38:42,389 --> 02:38:39,600
thank you very much gene uh i i really

3981
02:38:44,950 --> 02:38:42,399
enjoyed this session and look forward to

3982
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:44,960
coming on again if you permit me yeah

3983
02:38:50,950 --> 02:38:47,680
thanks gene and uh nice to have met you

3984
02:39:00,580 --> 02:38:50,960
finally bob

3985
02:39:00,590 --> 02:39:03,830
[Music]

3986
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:06,710
the paracast featuring jean steinberg

3987
02:39:12,550 --> 02:39:09,600
and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

3988
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:12,560
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3989
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:14,319
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